Anonymous wrote:Back to the discussion of how to fund hospitals for the mentally ill...

Roughly between 2007 and 2003, the number of gender clinics increased in the US from a handful to over 300. Where was the money coming from to create all those gender clinics?

Why isn't that same money being poured into funding mental hospitals/mental health care?

Everyone talks about how there is no money to fund mental health care. But how is there money for gender clinics?

NYC mayoral candidate Mamdani is proposing an investment in gender-affirming care. Doesn't he want to offer free gender affirming care to anyone - regardless if they are NYC residents? Again, where is that money coming from? Why can't that money go to mental health care instead? Where would he get the money to invest in gender-affirming care? Why is he making that part of his platform and not saying we are going to invest in mental health care?

Anyone who has teenagers and sees what is going on in schools - it is undeniable that trans and mental health issues are so closely intertwined. Can you imagine if all the time, effort and money put into gender affirming stuff was instead devoted to mental health care?

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma is a big problem here not guns. Majority of these shooters are on SSRI’s or recently, puberty blockers. Nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room:
Big Pharma

It is insane to me how among the listed side effects for SSRIs - drugs given for severe depression - are suicidal thoughts and suicidal behavior! What are the point of these poisonous things???

It’s also dumb that teens can’t vape or smoke until 18 or drink till they’re 21 because alcohol is considered a mind altering drug yet they can take SSRI’s or completely change their gender with puberty blockers while underage.

Teens are already mentally not all the way there so imagine with medication

You can’t drink until 21 but you can buy a gun at 18.

Guns should require a safety class and test (like driving lessons) that come with a cost and parental and medical provider sign-off before anyone gets close to having the privilege to buy a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Big Pharma is a big problem here not guns. Majority of these shooters are on SSRI’s or recently, puberty blockers. Nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room:
Big Pharma

It is insane to me how among the listed side effects for SSRIs - drugs given for severe depression - are suicidal thoughts and suicidal behavior! What are the point of these poisonous things???

It’s also dumb that teens can’t vape or smoke until 18 or drink till they’re 21 because alcohol is considered a mind altering drug yet they can take SSRI’s or completely change their gender with puberty blockers while underage.

Teens are already mentally not all the way there so imagine with medication

You can’t drink until 21 but you can buy a gun at 18.

Guns should require a safety class and test (like driving lessons) that come with a cost and parental and medical provider sign-off before anyone gets close to having the privilege to buy a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

This is so tragic. We need to be able to put people with severe mental disabilities like schizophrenia in protective care.

Honestly Democrats could win their way back to power by making re-institutionalization of the mentally ill part of their platform. It overlaps with their generalized concern about health care access anyway and would generate tons of jobs for the liberal types who like the caring professions. Talking about gun control hasn’t gotten them anywhere. Re-institutionalization is common sense and attractive to moderates.

Who’s gonna staff these clinics??

How did they staff crazy houses, group homes, and psych wards back then? pp is right. You didn’t see this type of thing in the past because crazy people or problem teens were institutionalized early away from polite society

DP. Do you realize there’s already a massive shortage of mental health care providers in this country? The inpatient pediatric mental health facility in my city has a nine month waiting list.

Supply and demand. You can train with an associate’s degree for some nursing and medical assistant jobs. Liberals who would have majored in some silly humanities degree Will major in health care related stuff instead and actually get jobs so they don’t have to beg for us to pay back their student loans for worthless degrees.

You’re suggesting that someone with an associates degree can care for people so mentally ill that they must be institutionalized? Do you have any idea how much you’d have to pay to have the numbers or kind of providers needed for a place like that - the answer is more than we have, so it will be poorly paid and staffed by low quality staff and there will be neglect and abuse like crazy just like it was in the old days.

No one is denying it will be expensive. What I’m saying is that I (a Republican) and many others will pay higher taxes for this. So the jobs can be higher paying and subsidized or whatever. Better use of my taxes than whatever else bloated fed gov bureaucracies could be doing.

I call BS on this.
Show me a Republican that wants to raise taxes for anything, no matter how good for society.

It won't be necessary to raise taxes. Stop funding the programs that DO NOT work.

DP. Specifically, which programs would you cancel in order to fund mass institutionalization?

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Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

This is so tragic. We need to be able to put people with severe mental disabilities like schizophrenia in protective care.

Honestly Democrats could win their way back to power by making re-institutionalization of the mentally ill part of their platform. It overlaps with their generalized concern about health care access anyway and would generate tons of jobs for the liberal types who like the caring professions. Talking about gun control hasn’t gotten them anywhere. Re-institutionalization is common sense and attractive to moderates.

Who’s gonna staff these clinics??

How did they staff crazy houses, group homes, and psych wards back then? pp is right. You didn’t see this type of thing in the past because crazy people or problem teens were institutionalized early away from polite society

They staffed them with the dregs of society. People who got off on torture.

The institutions were closed for a reason - the whole system was beyond reform.

They were closed because Reagan wanted to cut government spending. This was in the old days, when Republicans were somewhat normal and stood for fiscal responsibility.

NP. You seem very ignorant of the investigative reporting that was going on at the time about conditions in the asylums.

I’ve come to the conclusion that anyone who attributes the asylum closures solely to Reagan is not very well educated.

McHugh opposes sex reassignment surgery for transgender people.[31] In 1979, he shut down the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins, saying that another researcher found that most of the people he tracked down who had undergone this type of surgery "were contented with what they had done and that only a few regretted it. But in every other respect, they were little changed in their psychological condition. They had much the same problems with relationships, work, and emotions as before. The hope that they would emerge now from their emotional difficulties to flourish psychologically had not been fulfilled".[32] He has said that medical treatment for transgender youth is "like performing liposuction on an anorexic child",[33] described post-operative transgender women as "caricatures of women" because the surgery failed to change many of their male traits,[32] and stated that "The transgendered suffer a disorder of 'assumption.'"[31]

Anonymous wrote:This morning I watched an interview on the today show with a young man who survived the shooting. I don’t remember his name, but he showed such strength, courage, bravery and character that amazed me. It touched my heart, and I think God for kids like him. I think the world needs more children like that young man.

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Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

This is so tragic. We need to be able to put people with severe mental disabilities like schizophrenia in protective care.

Honestly Democrats could win their way back to power by making re-institutionalization of the mentally ill part of their platform. It overlaps with their generalized concern about health care access anyway and would generate tons of jobs for the liberal types who like the caring professions. Talking about gun control hasn’t gotten them anywhere. Re-institutionalization is common sense and attractive to moderates.

Who’s gonna staff these clinics??

How did they staff crazy houses, group homes, and psych wards back then? pp is right. You didn’t see this type of thing in the past because crazy people or problem teens were institutionalized early away from polite society

They staffed them with the dregs of society. People who got off on torture.

The institutions were closed for a reason - the whole system was beyond reform.

They were closed because Reagan wanted to cut government spending. This was in the old days, when Republicans were somewhat normal and stood for fiscal responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump LITERALLY wants crazy people to have guns.

He did this:

The blood is on his hands.

My working theory: The GOP knows a non-trivial percentage of their base is clinically nuts and owns guns, and they don't want to offend them, so they tiptoe around the obvious and instead go out of their way to pander and coddle people who they know are are nuts and who they perfectly well know should not have guns.

It's on his hands and all of you who vote for Republicans who support the NRA.

Anonymous wrote:We knew more about Robin Westman in an hour minutes than we still know about Thomas Crooks (Trump shooter) in 13 months…

Wonder why?

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Anonymous wrote:Media is reporting the suicidal shooter was:

“Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s,”

News outlets keep referring to a “20-minute YouTube video shared on his YT account hours before the shooting”

What was in the video? Is it still up?

It's just schizophrenic nonsense.
You can't lock someone up for being nuts in America. They have to either commit a crime or tell a healthcare provider that they are planning to commit a crime (or suicide). And then you can get them 72 hours in a hospital.
This needs to change. We have people who are a danger to society and we are just waiting for these ticking time bombs to go off. Often even their own parents are begging for help.
I will happily pay more taxes for this and I am GOP.

This is so tragic. We need to be able to put people with severe mental disabilities like schizophrenia in protective care.

Honestly Democrats could win their way back to power by making re-institutionalization of the mentally ill part of their platform. It overlaps with their generalized concern about health care access anyway and would generate tons of jobs for the liberal types who like the caring professions. Talking about gun control hasn’t gotten them anywhere. Re-institutionalization is common sense and attractive to moderates.

Who’s gonna staff these clinics??

How did they staff crazy houses, group homes, and psych wards back then? pp is right. You didn’t see this type of thing in the past because crazy people or problem teens were institutionalized early away from polite society

DP. Do you realize there’s already a massive shortage of mental health care providers in this country? The inpatient pediatric mental health facility in my city has a nine month waiting list.

Supply and demand. You can train with an associate’s degree for some nursing and medical assistant jobs. Liberals who would have majored in some silly humanities degree Will major in health care related stuff instead and actually get jobs so they don’t have to beg for us to pay back their student loans for worthless degrees.

You’re suggesting that someone with an associates degree can care for people so mentally ill that they must be institutionalized? Do you have any idea how much you’d have to pay to have the numbers or kind of providers needed for a place like that - the answer is more than we have, so it will be poorly paid and staffed by low quality staff and there will be neglect and abuse like crazy just like it was in the old days.

No one is denying it will be expensive. What I’m saying is that I (a Republican) and many others will pay higher taxes for this. So the jobs can be higher paying and subsidized or whatever. Better use of my taxes than whatever else bloated fed gov bureaucracies could be doing.

I call BS on this.
Show me a Republican that wants to raise taxes for anything, no matter how good for society.

It won't be necessary to raise taxes. Stop funding the programs that DO NOT work.