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Anonymous wrote:The school board separations report always tells an interesting story. 461 teachers quit in July. Mind you, this doesn’t include the 800 teachers who left FCPS on good terms in June.
Last July only about 170 teachers quit, what changed? This explains the large class sizes, they probably weren’t prepared for this.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D87LKD56E95B/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20July%201%2C%202024%20to%20July%2031%2C%202024.pdf

I think there is a growing distrust and division between admin and teachers. Teachers are keeping their mouth shut until they actually get hired for another job, whether it be in or out of education, (I know a July quitter who got hired on in PW this summer) and not being so courteous. I’m not saying that all principals do this but some get vindictive if you tell them you are going to leave.

Anonymous wrote:Is there a version where the data is broken down by type of school? Elementary, middle, hs, and then individual schools?

Anonymous wrote:The school board separations report always tells an interesting story. 461 teachers quit in July. Mind you, this doesn’t include the 800 teachers who left FCPS on good terms in June.
Last July only about 170 teachers quit, what changed? This explains the large class sizes, they probably weren’t prepared for this.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D87LKD56E95B/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20July%201%2C%202024%20to%20July%2031%2C%202024.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I left education and started a new job. I do my best to not spread negativity about the profession, but when I told my new coworkers it was immediately “is it true the kids are crazy?” And “you’re so brave”. The reputation about teaching is spreading so yeah it’s going to be hard to fill positions. After what happened in Newport News and now in Texas with the principal losing her eye a lot of people are very hesitant.

This-I left teaching and my family and friends were like thank goodness you got out. I watched IA's get hurt and admin act annoyed-I had admin ask my IA's and myself what we wanted them to do as a child destroyed rooms and kicked and scratched/screamed for sometimes 30 mins straight. It's becoming unsafe-I can't speak for MS and HS but elementary schools are understaffed. And you might get a sub one day but in these conditions most aren't coming back. It's sad for the kids who are there and ready to learn. And honestly I wouldn't want to be admin because the truth is there is not much they can do....but I will tell you teachers do not get paid enough to deal with that level of chaos when they are still responsible for the safety and education of many other students. So admin-take them out-make parents come get them but don't shrug and ask what you should do. It is a horrible working and learning environment-day to day survival is not good for teaching or learning.

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They need to send the violent kids with the issues to a special school that can meet their needs.

The focus right now is the exact opposite. The LRE is the regular classroom in a regular school with very few exceptions. Schools are not supposed to remove students from the classroom or suspend them for behaviors either.
Every parent who sees this for what it really is should be filling out SR&R feedback survey that was sent out a few weeks ago. School districts are not listening to teachers. The problem will continue to get worse if parents don't say anything.

The only way to escape this is to go private where those kids aren’t, or get your kid in AAP, honors or higher level classes where those kids won’t be later on.

I subbed in an AAP classroom in a highly sough-after elementary school and witnessed some of the worst behavior I've ever dealt with as a sub. 6th grader threw himself on the ground and had a full-fledged tantrum, ripped his notebook and binders apart, all because I asked him to do his work. Admin sent him to another teacher because he "needed a break" and that teacher was his break buddy or something. Several of the other gifted angels ignored instructions, went on their phones, and shrugged and gave me dirty look when I asked them to work. AAP is no guarantee of anything.

THIS ^^. I am so sick of parents insisting AAP is some kind of nirvana. It’s not. Not only are there tantrums, there are also the know-it-alls who argue with the teacher and refuse to take direction, distracting everyone around them. AAP classes are often a very unpleasant place to work.
-former FCPS teacher and now sub

I tutor a girl who is in a class with a no-it-all student. He argues with the teacher during math for about 10 minutes every day. She’s in a LLIV school so she’s been in class with him since third grade. She’s told me some crazy stories in the past couple of years about the class. I definitely would’ve quit if I was their teacher.

I hear you but it’s still a hell of a lot better than some of the crazy Gen Ed classes out there. I would much rather have a student argue than go ballistic and throw chairs and deal with evacuations.

Anonymous wrote:The school board separations report always tells an interesting story. 461 teachers quit in July. Mind you, this doesn’t include the 800 teachers who left FCPS on good terms in June.
Last July only about 170 teachers quit, what changed? This explains the large class sizes, they probably weren’t prepared for this.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D87LKD56E95B/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20July%201%2C%202024%20to%20July%2031%2C%202024.pdf

Anonymous wrote:The school board separations report always tells an interesting story. 461 teachers quit in July. Mind you, this doesn’t include the 800 teachers who left FCPS on good terms in June.
Last July only about 170 teachers quit, what changed? This explains the large class sizes, they probably weren’t prepared for this.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D87LKD56E95B/$file/Monthly%20Separation%20Report%20July%201%2C%202024%20to%20July%2031%2C%202024.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I left education and started a new job. I do my best to not spread negativity about the profession, but when I told my new coworkers it was immediately “is it true the kids are crazy?” And “you’re so brave”. The reputation about teaching is spreading so yeah it’s going to be hard to fill positions. After what happened in Newport News and now in Texas with the principal losing her eye a lot of people are very hesitant.

This-I left teaching and my family and friends were like thank goodness you got out. I watched IA's get hurt and admin act annoyed-I had admin ask my IA's and myself what we wanted them to do as a child destroyed rooms and kicked and scratched/screamed for sometimes 30 mins straight. It's becoming unsafe-I can't speak for MS and HS but elementary schools are understaffed. And you might get a sub one day but in these conditions most aren't coming back. It's sad for the kids who are there and ready to learn. And honestly I wouldn't want to be admin because the truth is there is not much they can do....but I will tell you teachers do not get paid enough to deal with that level of chaos when they are still responsible for the safety and education of many other students. So admin-take them out-make parents come get them but don't shrug and ask what you should do. It is a horrible working and learning environment-day to day survival is not good for teaching or learning.

+100

They need to send the violent kids with the issues to a special school that can meet their needs.

The focus right now is the exact opposite. The LRE is the regular classroom in a regular school with very few exceptions. Schools are not supposed to remove students from the classroom or suspend them for behaviors either.
Every parent who sees this for what it really is should be filling out SR&R feedback survey that was sent out a few weeks ago. School districts are not listening to teachers. The problem will continue to get worse if parents don't say anything.

The only way to escape this is to go private where those kids aren’t, or get your kid in AAP, honors or higher level classes where those kids won’t be later on.

If you think private school is the way to escape terrible behaviors, I have a bridge to sell you. I taught in public for several decades. I'm now in a super pricey private. The behaviors we see are atrocious and in some cases, a true safety problem. It is only minimally better than public, where it might only take 2-3 years to "get rid" of a kid instead of 5-6 or a bringing a weapon in public.

Wow well homeschool wins I guess

Anonymous wrote:Public education needs a massive overhaul but the public isn’t going to handover the cash needed. If you want these super inclusive classes with wide ranges of academic and social needs make the classes very small, like 10 kids. Offer serious actual therapy and mental health services to students and families with trauma/behavioral issues. Offer free online or hybrid public school so long as parents agree to some check ins/oversight if you don’t want your kid in school.

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Anonymous wrote:I left education and started a new job. I do my best to not spread negativity about the profession, but when I told my new coworkers it was immediately “is it true the kids are crazy?” And “you’re so brave”. The reputation about teaching is spreading so yeah it’s going to be hard to fill positions. After what happened in Newport News and now in Texas with the principal losing her eye a lot of people are very hesitant.

This-I left teaching and my family and friends were like thank goodness you got out. I watched IA's get hurt and admin act annoyed-I had admin ask my IA's and myself what we wanted them to do as a child destroyed rooms and kicked and scratched/screamed for sometimes 30 mins straight. It's becoming unsafe-I can't speak for MS and HS but elementary schools are understaffed. And you might get a sub one day but in these conditions most aren't coming back. It's sad for the kids who are there and ready to learn. And honestly I wouldn't want to be admin because the truth is there is not much they can do....but I will tell you teachers do not get paid enough to deal with that level of chaos when they are still responsible for the safety and education of many other students. So admin-take them out-make parents come get them but don't shrug and ask what you should do. It is a horrible working and learning environment-day to day survival is not good for teaching or learning.

+100

They need to send the violent kids with the issues to a special school that can meet their needs.

The focus right now is the exact opposite. The LRE is the regular classroom in a regular school with very few exceptions. Schools are not supposed to remove students from the classroom or suspend them for behaviors either.
Every parent who sees this for what it really is should be filling out SR&R feedback survey that was sent out a few weeks ago. School districts are not listening to teachers. The problem will continue to get worse if parents don't say anything.

The only way to escape this is to go private where those kids aren’t, or get your kid in AAP, honors or higher level classes where those kids won’t be later on.

I subbed in an AAP classroom in a highly sough-after elementary school and witnessed some of the worst behavior I've ever dealt with as a sub. 6th grader threw himself on the ground and had a full-fledged tantrum, ripped his notebook and binders apart, all because I asked him to do his work. Admin sent him to another teacher because he "needed a break" and that teacher was his break buddy or something. Several of the other gifted angels ignored instructions, went on their phones, and shrugged and gave me dirty look when I asked them to work. AAP is no guarantee of anything.

THIS ^^. I am so sick of parents insisting AAP is some kind of nirvana. It’s not. Not only are there tantrums, there are also the know-it-alls who argue with the teacher and refuse to take direction, distracting everyone around them. AAP classes are often a very unpleasant place to work.
-former FCPS teacher and now sub

I tutor a girl who is in a class with a no-it-all student. He argues with the teacher during math for about 10 minutes every day. She’s in a LLIV school so she’s been in class with him since third grade. She’s told me some crazy stories in the past couple of years about the class. I definitely would’ve quit if I was their teacher.

I hear you but it’s still a hell of a lot better than some of the crazy Gen Ed classes out there. I would much rather have a student argue than go ballistic and throw chairs and deal with evacuations.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a good way to run an organization. I think parents need to question their kids daily about what's going on in the classroom if there are kids that are very disruptive. Keep notes and talk to other parents about it and email admin. They eventually get annoyed if many parents are emailing and will be forced to act.

Parents are sadly talked around and out of their concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:I left education and started a new job. I do my best to not spread negativity about the profession, but when I told my new coworkers it was immediately “is it true the kids are crazy?” And “you’re so brave”. The reputation about teaching is spreading so yeah it’s going to be hard to fill positions. After what happened in Newport News and now in Texas with the principal losing her eye a lot of people are very hesitant.

This-I left teaching and my family and friends were like thank goodness you got out. I watched IA's get hurt and admin act annoyed-I had admin ask my IA's and myself what we wanted them to do as a child destroyed rooms and kicked and scratched/screamed for sometimes 30 mins straight. It's becoming unsafe-I can't speak for MS and HS but elementary schools are understaffed. And you might get a sub one day but in these conditions most aren't coming back. It's sad for the kids who are there and ready to learn. And honestly I wouldn't want to be admin because the truth is there is not much they can do....but I will tell you teachers do not get paid enough to deal with that level of chaos when they are still responsible for the safety and education of many other students. So admin-take them out-make parents come get them but don't shrug and ask what you should do. It is a horrible working and learning environment-day to day survival is not good for teaching or learning.

+100

They need to send the violent kids with the issues to a special school that can meet their needs.

The focus right now is the exact opposite. The LRE is the regular classroom in a regular school with very few exceptions. Schools are not supposed to remove students from the classroom or suspend them for behaviors either.
Every parent who sees this for what it really is should be filling out SR&R feedback survey that was sent out a few weeks ago. School districts are not listening to teachers. The problem will continue to get worse if parents don't say anything.

The only way to escape this is to go private where those kids aren’t, or get your kid in AAP, honors or higher level classes where those kids won’t be later on.

I subbed in an AAP classroom in a highly sough-after elementary school and witnessed some of the worst behavior I've ever dealt with as a sub. 6th grader threw himself on the ground and had a full-fledged tantrum, ripped his notebook and binders apart, all because I asked him to do his work. Admin sent him to another teacher because he "needed a break" and that teacher was his break buddy or something. Several of the other gifted angels ignored instructions, went on their phones, and shrugged and gave me dirty look when I asked them to work. AAP is no guarantee of anything.

THIS ^^. I am so sick of parents insisting AAP is some kind of nirvana. It’s not. Not only are there tantrums, there are also the know-it-alls who argue with the teacher and refuse to take direction, distracting everyone around them. AAP classes are often a very unpleasant place to work.
-former FCPS teacher and now sub

I tutor a girl who is in a class with a no-it-all student. He argues with the teacher during math for about 10 minutes every day. She’s in a LLIV school so she’s been in class with him since third grade. She’s told me some crazy stories in the past couple of years about the class. I definitely would’ve quit if I was their teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I left education and started a new job. I do my best to not spread negativity about the profession, but when I told my new coworkers it was immediately “is it true the kids are crazy?” And “you’re so brave”. The reputation about teaching is spreading so yeah it’s going to be hard to fill positions. After what happened in Newport News and now in Texas with the principal losing her eye a lot of people are very hesitant.

This-I left teaching and my family and friends were like thank goodness you got out. I watched IA's get hurt and admin act annoyed-I had admin ask my IA's and myself what we wanted them to do as a child destroyed rooms and kicked and scratched/screamed for sometimes 30 mins straight. It's becoming unsafe-I can't speak for MS and HS but elementary schools are understaffed. And you might get a sub one day but in these conditions most aren't coming back. It's sad for the kids who are there and ready to learn. And honestly I wouldn't want to be admin because the truth is there is not much they can do....but I will tell you teachers do not get paid enough to deal with that level of chaos when they are still responsible for the safety and education of many other students. So admin-take them out-make parents come get them but don't shrug and ask what you should do. It is a horrible working and learning environment-day to day survival is not good for teaching or learning.

+100

They need to send the violent kids with the issues to a special school that can meet their needs.

The focus right now is the exact opposite. The LRE is the regular classroom in a regular school with very few exceptions. Schools are not supposed to remove students from the classroom or suspend them for behaviors either.
Every parent who sees this for what it really is should be filling out SR&R feedback survey that was sent out a few weeks ago. School districts are not listening to teachers. The problem will continue to get worse if parents don't say anything.

The only way to escape this is to go private where those kids aren’t, or get your kid in AAP, honors or higher level classes where those kids won’t be later on.

I subbed in an AAP classroom in a highly sough-after elementary school and witnessed some of the worst behavior I've ever dealt with as a sub. 6th grader threw himself on the ground and had a full-fledged tantrum, ripped his notebook and binders apart, all because I asked him to do his work. Admin sent him to another teacher because he "needed a break" and that teacher was his break buddy or something. Several of the other gifted angels ignored instructions, went on their phones, and shrugged and gave me dirty look when I asked them to work. AAP is no guarantee of anything.

THIS ^^. I am so sick of parents insisting AAP is some kind of nirvana. It’s not. Not only are there tantrums, there are also the know-it-alls who argue with the teacher and refuse to take direction, distracting everyone around them. AAP classes are often a very unpleasant place to work.
-former FCPS teacher and now sub