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Anonymous wrote:GOP primary votes against Trump tonight:

Kansas - 25%
Arizona - 25%
Ohio - 21%
Illinois - 19%
Florida - 19%

Are these actual GOP votes or Democrats meddling?

Florida has closed primaries like Maryland so those are GOP votes. https://ballotpedia.org/Closed_primary
Ohio’s and Illinois’s primaries are open like Virginia’s. https://ballotpedia.org/Open_primary
Arizona and Kansas are semi-closed, so Republicans and Independents can vote in the GOP primary but not Democrats. https://ballotpedia.org/Semi-closed_primary

Anonymous wrote:GOP primary votes against Trump tonight:

Kansas - 25%
Arizona - 25%
Ohio - 21%
Illinois - 19%
Florida - 19%

Are these actual GOP votes or Democrats meddling?

GOP primary votes against Trump tonight:

Kansas - 25%
Arizona - 25%
Ohio - 21%
Illinois - 19%
Florida - 19%

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10001 reasons this is bad news for Biden…….

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Anonymous wrote:The SOTU bump usually takes a couple of weeks

Coping, eh. Because there is no statistically meaningful bump.

🤔

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, Biden has managed to get Medicare to negotiate with drug manufacturers to lower the costs on a variety of drugs including insulin.

That isn't something significant?

And more Americans have health insurance than they ever have before.
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/11/the-share-of-americans-without-health-insurance-in-2022-matched-a-record-low

But is healthcare any more affordable? The question isn't insurance, but the cost of healthcare itself.

More people are affording health insurance than ever before.

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

NP. I think the GOP says constantly that they support working class people but then never do anything legislatively to demonstrate that support. They like to talk about trucks and taking down the elite but that’s the extent of their support. The working class has bought into this lie because on the surface it appears that way. The GOP is great at “average joe cosplay” while giving rich old white guys all the benefits of their policies.

Please don’t miss that whatever you think about GOP “average Joe cosplay” it has yet to be well challenged by the Democrats. Basically, the Democrats’ hustles set the bar so, so low that they struggle to prevail against the GOP. If they want to be serious about beating the GOP, a meaningful upgrade in policies and messaging is required.

While I personally find the Democratic "divide and conquer" identity politics abhorrent, it does seem to be effective against Republican messaging. If you can convince voters that Rs are racist and sexist, then naturally it'll be easy to get the POC and women vote, which is a huge portion. So although Rs have a more compelling message to the white working class, the Ds have a compelling message to the non-white working class, and that's going to make this race competitive.

What is this message you speak of? The GOP did not have a platform in 2020 for the last election.

According to a NBC exit poll, 11% of Ohio Republican primary voters say they'll vote for President Biden.

If anything close to this is a national trend, Trump is in trouble.

And this is bad for Biden because...

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, Biden has managed to get Medicare to negotiate with drug manufacturers to lower the costs on a variety of drugs including insulin.

That isn't something significant?

And more Americans have health insurance than they ever have before.
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/11/the-share-of-americans-without-health-insurance-in-2022-matched-a-record-low

But is healthcare any more affordable? The question isn't insurance, but the cost of healthcare itself.

Anonymous wrote:And yet, Biden has managed to get Medicare to negotiate with drug manufacturers to lower the costs on a variety of drugs including insulin.

That isn't something significant?

And more Americans have health insurance than they ever have before.
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/11/the-share-of-americans-without-health-insurance-in-2022-matched-a-record-low

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

NP. I think the GOP says constantly that they support working class people but then never do anything legislatively to demonstrate that support. They like to talk about trucks and taking down the elite but that’s the extent of their support. The working class has bought into this lie because on the surface it appears that way. The GOP is great at “average joe cosplay” while giving rich old white guys all the benefits of their policies.

Please don’t miss that whatever you think about GOP “average Joe cosplay” it has yet to be well challenged by the Democrats. Basically, the Democrats’ hustles set the bar so, so low that they struggle to prevail against the GOP. If they want to be serious about beating the GOP, a meaningful upgrade in policies and messaging is required.

While I personally find the Democratic "divide and conquer" identity politics abhorrent, it does seem to be effective against Republican messaging. If you can convince voters that Rs are racist and sexist, then naturally it'll be easy to get the POC and women vote, which is a huge portion. So although Rs have a more compelling message to the white working class, the Ds have a compelling message to the non-white working class, and that's going to make this race competitive.

Messaging shouldn't be a deciding factor when running against a candidate as historically awful as Trump. If Clinton or Obama had Trump as their opposition when seeking their second terms, they would win even more easily than they did against Dole and Romney. Biden is clearly a better POTUS option than Trump but it is a too close to call race at this point simply because Biden isn't garnering a high level of support and enthusiasm from swing/independent voters and a faction of the Dem party. This reality may not be fair to Biden but it is the reality. Biden is capable of winning again in 2024 but it won't be in the landslide fashion that it should be.

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I'm pretty angry and anxious, too. And as excited to vote for Biden this time as I was in 2020 - which was a lot.

More free stuff, eh?

This board is Schrodinger’s liberal for cons like you. Either we’re all the 1% and totally out of touch with ”real Americans” or we’re the welfare queens of your fervid imaginations. I guess when you stay in a conservative bubble and don’t listen to any liberals in real life ever, we can be whatever strawman you want.

NP. I think you might be the one with a problem, PP. There are many critics of the Democrats and Biden. They don’t all think the same way and they certainly aren’t all Trump-supporting and/or Republicans.

+1
Ultra-partisans, like the PP, think only in black and white. Zero nuance or critical thinking.

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

NP. I think the GOP says constantly that they support working class people but then never do anything legislatively to demonstrate that support. They like to talk about trucks and taking down the elite but that’s the extent of their support. The working class has bought into this lie because on the surface it appears that way. The GOP is great at “average joe cosplay” while giving rich old white guys all the benefits of their policies.

Please don’t miss that whatever you think about GOP “average Joe cosplay” it has yet to be well challenged by the Democrats. Basically, the Democrats’ hustles set the bar so, so low that they struggle to prevail against the GOP. If they want to be serious about beating the GOP, a meaningful upgrade in policies and messaging is required.

While I personally find the Democratic "divide and conquer" identity politics abhorrent, it does seem to be effective against Republican messaging. If you can convince voters that Rs are racist and sexist, then naturally it'll be easy to get the POC and women vote, which is a huge portion. So although Rs have a more compelling message to the white working class, the Ds have a compelling message to the non-white working class, and that's going to make this race competitive.