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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.




I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?

"the democrats" are not bringing indictments. Indictments happen because grand juries, comprised of citizens, weigh evidence, and authorize the indictments.

Understand, the people testifying against trump are all republicans and Trump's inner circle. This is not a democrat versus republican thing, it is law versus lawlessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

According to Pew, more Dems support Palestine over Israel. The current protests against Israel defending itself are all by the left wing of the party. Biden (rightly) has committed America to unwavering support of Israel and the IDF. Israel has taken an extremely methodical approach to fighting the war and destroying Hamas. Meaning this will be a months long operation. Biden needs to be worried about losing a significant portion of his base-the far left.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.


100 PERCENT!! WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. HIS INNER CIRCLE ARE FLIPPING!!

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?

"the democrats" are not bringing indictments. Indictments happen because grand juries, comprised of citizens, weigh evidence, and authorize the indictments.

Understand, the people testifying against trump are all republicans and Trump's inner circle. This is not a democrat versus republican thing, it is law versus lawlessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?

"the democrats" are not bringing indictments. Indictments happen because grand juries, comprised of citizens, weigh evidence, and authorize the indictments.

Understand, the people testifying against trump are all republicans and Trump's inner circle. This is not a democrat versus republican thing, it is law versus lawlessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?

"the democrats" are not bringing indictments. Indictments happen because grand juries, comprised of citizens, weigh evidence, and authorize the indictments.

Understand, the people testifying against trump are all republicans and Trump's inner circle. This is not a democrat versus republican thing, it is law versus lawlessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

They can't. They'll just keep telling us we have no choice and calling us names.

If you keep voting for the same, you'll keep getting it.

Yes! I don’t care about the two party system. I’m tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils. It is my freedom to vote for whoever I want to vote for and that can be a write in candidate. All those disgusted by Biden and Trump need to unite and vote for a third party or write in a candidate. Our votes are not for sale. You want us to vote for you…give us a reason to instead of just saying I’m not the other candidate. And all those saying if you don’t vote for Biden, Trump gets elected. Well make your candidate more electable….not our problem.

No one is telling you you can't vote for whomever you wish.

However, it is reality that the US is a two party system, and that voting third party is a wasted vote. You can believe it is a protest vote, or that you actually prefer RFK or Cornell West or Jill Stein or whatever, but the fact is, its a wasted vote.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

According to Pew, more Dems support Palestine over Israel. The current protests against Israel defending itself are all by the left wing of the party. Biden (rightly) has committed America to unwavering support of Israel and the IDF. Israel has taken an extremely methodical approach to fighting the war and destroying Hamas. Meaning this will be a months long operation. Biden needs to be worried about losing a significant portion of his base-the far left.

That's rather deceptively framed. Dems support a two-state solution; it's not matter of one over the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

According to Pew, more Dems support Palestine over Israel. The current protests against Israel defending itself are all by the left wing of the party. Biden (rightly) has committed America to unwavering support of Israel and the IDF. Israel has taken an extremely methodical approach to fighting the war and destroying Hamas. Meaning this will be a months long operation. Biden needs to be worried about losing a significant portion of his base-the far left.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

According to Pew, more Dems support Palestine over Israel. The current protests against Israel defending itself are all by the left wing of the party. Biden (rightly) has committed America to unwavering support of Israel and the IDF. Israel has taken an extremely methodical approach to fighting the war and destroying Hamas. Meaning this will be a months long operation. Biden needs to be worried about losing a significant portion of his base-the far left.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

Muslims are 1 percent of the US population. And they are certainly not finding a happy home in the Republican Party. Supporting Hamas is not a winning issue for either party. The vast, vast majority of Americans - on all sides - are appalled by what happened on 10/7 and will support Israel as they counter it. It's the hard right and the far left that are pro-Hamas. Elections won't be won or lost in that space.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

A whole lot more to the Muslim community he’s presently alienating and cannot win without.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

Being under indictment is not cause for not being on the ballot. Trump will be the GOP nominee, short of death. So your choice is Trump or whatever Dem, including Biden, is on the ticket against him.

Unless it is.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-ballot-14th-amendment-colorado-f5d6c6174476ec414208323785df6e15

If Biden wants the votes he needs to make a positive case. A bunch of screeching people saying not committing to a Biden vote a year before the election is akin to a Trump vote is hysteria. Earn the votes! Go do some real outreach in Michigan! Act like workers matter! Act like you learned anything from 2016.

Biden has been to Michigan at least 6 times since taking office. How much more "outreach" do you expect of him there?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?

"the democrats" are not bringing indictments. Indictments happen because grand juries, comprised of citizens, weigh evidence, and authorize the indictments.

Understand, the people testifying against trump are all republicans and Trump's inner circle. This is not a democrat versus republican thing, it is law versus lawlessness.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a Republican. I’m fiscally conservative and socially laissez-faire. I don’t really care what bathroom someone chooses or what happens between consenting adults. I’m also not alarmed by growing diversity in the electorate or political leadership. I’m so very tired of wokeness and the policing of what I say. Maybe you don’t agree with me and that’s ok, but that doesn’t make my views and feelings invalid. I think it’s not helpful to demonize people who don’t share your worldview, which seems to happen a lot among the left.

I don’t really like Biden and I think he’s too old. I have never liked Kamala Harris. But. Trump is simply not a leader. He’s a self-centered, blithering, treasonous moron. And worse he seems to have empowered a foolish group of grifters who don’t understand the concept of public service.

I wish there was a different choice. But I’d like our republic to last until the boomers die out and so I will vote for Biden.

See, you I believe to be everything you say. You I believe are representing yourself and your beliefs honestly and while I might disagree with you around the edges, overall you want America to keep going forward.

I’m a Democrat, always have been. I’m a flaming conservative to the Communists I used to know and a flaming liberal to the conservatives I know. I’m tired of what feels like annoying ash hippy liberals tweens (even the middle aged ones) policing me and my words but I think the world is stomping way too quickly towards a corporate friendly nothingness and the obliteration of small things (small businesses, small farms, small firms…).

I actually really do like Biden. Yeah he’s older than dirt and can be politician smarmy as hell but he gets it done. He was handed a total crap sandwich from the GOP and he’s planted flowers and native perennials in it, even as the GOP keeps heaping more crap on top. Kamala is not my favorite person but I sometimes wonder how much of that is what I actually think about her and internalized misogynoir. (I don’t think it’s “woke” to recognize that Black women, even Jamaican-American Black women with a metric ton of education and success, get kicked in the face more than a lot of other groups and to think about my role in that).

But I will walk over hot coals, I would make polite conversation with my maga relatives, I will do anything to vote for the Democrats. People who aren’t willing to help put the GOP into its grave do not grasp the severity of the situation.

If putting “the GOP into its grave” is at all important, you need a much, much bigger majority. It would be a mistake to expect that majority will be forthcoming without identifying some of the Democrats own misdirections and making amends. Make your own choices about what specifically the Democrats need to do, but realize they own much of this mess and anything less than that acknowledging will test the fates.

Democrats admit their mistakes. You need to look no further than Al Franken or the fire alarm guy. Things happen. The democrats don't circle the wagons the way the GOP does. As I just posted, of course the Biden Administration has made some mistakes...there isn't a presidential administration that hasn't.

But the GOP in its current form is a Frankenstein of theives, religious fantatics and power cravenness not seen in the US, probably ever. It needs a Watergate style electoral wipe out so it can be remade into some sort of conservative party based on actual limited government etc and not the selective limited government where ownership of women's bodies and who uses what bathrooms are a proxy for imposition of religious morals on the populace.

They do? In 2016 Hillary Clinton said all the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment were “crazy”. While running against a man who said everyone who accused him of sexual misconduct was crazy. Ever see anyone admitting that was a mistake?

Does Biden admit his decades of being only barely pro-choice were a mistake?

Look I want you to be right. It would be great if the Democrats are growing and evolving and learning from 2016. But the President said two sentences about abortion in the state of the union. Show me where he realizes he needs to adjust.

No, she didn’t. https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/index.html Trump dredged it all up and the complicit corporate media happily ran with it. And you happily quote the rightest wing version of non-reality.

Then as a woman who claims to care about abortion access, you… are going to side with the forced birthers instead of the people who share your opinions but don’t talk about them strongly enough?

You and people like you are the reason for regression in this country.

Still the poster you’re quoting. Not voting for Biden doesn’t mean “siding with” Trump. It means Biden didn’t do enough to earn the votes. It was also true that Clinton did not do enough to earn the votes. That’s how politics works— you have to convince people to vote for you. Not just not vote for the other guy. And if you’re saying progressives didn’t learn enough from the Trump years, tell me, what did the Democrats learn from the 2016 defeat? In 2020 it looked like Biden learned to embrace the progressive wing of the party with his outreach to Sanders and Warren— where has that gone?

The problem is, not voting for Biden IS a vote for Trump. Voting third party is a vote for Trump. That is the reality of our elections right now.

So we all either stick with Biden, the judges and justices he will appoint, the 'normalcy" he is projecting, or else, we will have Trump, Trump will replace Thomas, and, if we are to believe his words, he will transform this country into a Russia-aligned Christian Theocracy.

So choose wisely.

I am still not voting for Biden. If it will be Trump next four years, let it be and let my party finally learn the lesson that they have not learned since Hillary.

Once Trump is in office, our country will be irreparably harmed. You saw what he tried to do when he lost after the first 4 years. He won't leave office again. He has already told us that. He will fully align the US with Russia, he will pull the US out of NATO and he will allow the Evangelicals to turn our country into a fundamentalist Christian nation.

but sure, "both sides"



that's teach the dems.

If the situation was so dire, you'd think the Democrats would actually listen to their constituents instead of promising more of the same. It obviously isn't *that* dire if it's the same games as always.

I guess you aren't paying attention to what Trump and Speaker Johnson are telling you. Oh well.

Stop pointing fingers at the other party. What has *your* party done to EARN profressive votes? You think you can just point at Trump and demand them, but it's not going to work this time. Your guy will lose, and he will lose because he alienated a growing wing of his party.

Passed a landmark green economy bill
Fully support workers rights and the right to collective bargaining
Brought big Pharma to the table to negotiate lower prices for consumers, and most particularly seniors
Raised SNAP and Social Security Benefits

I could go on.

Why is this, given the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate, not enough for a start?

Because none of it does what is actually needed. It's posturing. Democrats love to pat themselves on the back to for doing the absolute bare minimum, then stepping back letting Republicans undo it, and shrug and say welp we tried. It's all a game, bought and paid for by our corporate oligarchs.

The bare minimum? The Administration gets complaints from the right aboutnthe trillions of dollars passed by the administration to deal with these issues. So which is it, the bare minumum, or trillions of dollars? It can't be both.

The bare minimum. I said what I said. I'm not sure where you're confused.

NP. They’re confused because they uncritically buy into the ‘official’ framing of our problems and their trade-offs. To them, there’s one dimension and it goes from left to right and you just pic the right spot and “bam”, you have electoral success!

Many never get that the Democrats have their own fatted cows and oligarchic interests. The Democratic Party needs to re-direct their energies away from their fatted cows and oligarchs and back to the broad public. That’s the important trade-off they need to embrace, not some one-dimensional ideological trade off.

We have a two party system. the choices are binary. In 2024, the choices will be Trump or Biden.

Pick one.

I choose third party. This dualopoloy is BS. I will never stomach voting for Biden particularly as he has clearly sided with the "only Jewish lives matter" camp. I cannot condone that. My vote is my voice and this is all that I can do.

Biden has been more than crystal clear that he sides peace and he sides with the Palestinian people and the Israeli's. The enemy here is Hamas.

Sorry that you cannot see the nuance. Biden's words have been very clear and firm on this.

His actions speak far louder than any 5 minute speech he will ever give. He has given Israel carte blanche to murder Arabs indiscriminately - both after October 7 and the decades leading up to it. This did not start 2 weeks ago

I'm sure Palestinians will fare MUCH better with Trump.

Life is full of difficult choices.

This is hilarious. Telling people to vote for Biden because he's the morally qualified murderer.

At a minimum, Trump is completely open and honest. He says what he means. Biden is an abhorrent liar. I will not vote for either one.

You will vote for one of them, no matter what you do.

Feel free to pretend otherwise if it makes you feel more pure.

If Trump is not on the ballot, what is the reason to vote for Biden? It’s a year away, he’s under multiple indictments and he’s elderly. Tell me the positive case for Biden, not against Trump.

There is not a single indictment that Biden is under. Please stop lying.

Trump is under multiple indictments, thus he might not be on the ballot. Trump is elderly. I am saying there’s a good chance Trump won’t be the boogeyman and there will need to be an affirmative case for Biden. Please read more carefully.

It is time for democrats to understand that the more indictment they bring, the more popular Trump will be. It is like Hillary calling the voters deplorable. The more she used the word, the more votes she was losing. Same thing with indictments. Why our party cannot see the big picture?