Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:11
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:We are going from 3 days per pay period in person to 4 due to the memo. I'm reasonably satisfied with that solution - better than I expected.
What agency?
Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:11
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:I think two things can be safely assumed at this point.
1. The Zients memo was incredibly ill advised.
2. Celebration of return to the office was way-premature as agencies will simply ignore the harsh language in memo.
Disagree, I would say the following:
1. Zients memo said more feds should return to the office but wasn’t specific enough to be effective.
2. Agencies will follow up in the coming months in an uneven way, but generally there will be more feds returning to office buildings
Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:06
Subject: Biden wants RTO
We are going from 3 days per pay period in person to 4 due to the memo. I'm reasonably satisfied with that solution - better than I expected.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:04
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.
He needs votes and money for the election.
He’s not getting mine if they force RTO.
Meanwhile DeSantis said he wants to slit fed throats. No good choices.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:04
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.
He needs votes and money for the election.
He’s not getting mine if they force RTO.
You gonna vote for Trump now? Talk about selfish.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 18:01
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.
He needs votes and money for the election.
He’s not getting mine if they force RTO.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:33
Subject: Biden wants RTO
I think two things can be safely assumed at this point.
1. The Zients memo was incredibly ill advised.
2. Celebration of return to the office was way-premature as agencies will simply ignore the harsh language in memo.
1. The Zients memo was incredibly ill advised.
2. Celebration of return to the office was way-premature as agencies will simply ignore the harsh language in memo.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:23
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:My agency:
Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.
Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.
Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.
Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.
So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.
Yeah, my agency had a policy that supervisors weren't allowed regular telework at all because "supervision inherently requires being in person." I'll be unbelievably mad if they go back to that after proving that wrong for 3 years, and would be willing to take a pay cut to leave the government. For now I don't like 50% in person, but I may not be able to get a better deal elsewhere, so I'll live with it.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:23
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:It’s too late. We are all having Teams calls and people seem more spread out geographically. Agencies have given up space.
To get everyone back FT they’d need to take away Teams calls and require only in-person meetings with occasionally people dialing in via phone like 2019. Don’t see how anyone could pull that off at this point.
Requiring FT office building work is like telling employees they can no longer use email. Technology has evolved and here we are. You don’t need to be in an office building to use a computer or talk to your coworkers.
This is the same issue with private companies too. It’s silly. My spouse is having to return to office. They don’t have space for everyone, took away the private offices and everyone is still online. They are demanding flexibility in the early am and late at night but forget things like commute. Either they get the extra hours wfh or the get commute time. Only so many hours in a day.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:18
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:My agency:
Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.
Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.
Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.
Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.
So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.
You proved you can work from home
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:16
Subject: Biden wants RTO
My agency:
Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.
Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.
Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.
Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.
So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.
Prior to 2020: regular telework up to 4 days per pay period. Anything beyond that required special approval from the Director’s office.
Mar 2020 - Oct 2022: Full remote possible.
Oct 2022 - Oct 2023: Max telework (up to 8 days/pp), remote work available in 4 consecutive 90-day arrangements.
Oct 2023 - forward: Telework capped at 6 days/pp. Remote work can still be requested, but there is a non-consecutive limit. Unclear what happens to those who moved away.
So, while we demonstrated that in-person was not necessary for the mission, the current plan under the Biden memo is better than the Republican plan of completely reverting to the pre-pandemic posture.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 17:04
Subject: Re:Biden wants RTO
It’s too late. We are all having Teams calls and people seem more spread out geographically. Agencies have given up space.
To get everyone back FT they’d need to take away Teams calls and require only in-person meetings with occasionally people dialing in via phone like 2019. Don’t see how anyone could pull that off at this point.
Requiring FT office building work is like telling employees they can no longer use email. Technology has evolved and here we are. You don’t need to be in an office building to use a computer or talk to your coworkers.
To get everyone back FT they’d need to take away Teams calls and require only in-person meetings with occasionally people dialing in via phone like 2019. Don’t see how anyone could pull that off at this point.
Requiring FT office building work is like telling employees they can no longer use email. Technology has evolved and here we are. You don’t need to be in an office building to use a computer or talk to your coworkers.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 16:53
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.
He needs votes and money for the election.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 16:50
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Biden is older than dirt who cares what he wants
Anonymous
08/13/2023 15:53
Subject: Biden wants RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have any agencies announced plans to bring laborers in for RTO IAW the directive from Zients? I haven't seen any releases and it’s 2 weeks out.
Not yet. We were told leadership is seeking additional guidance regarding memo. This is at Secretary level.
Thanks. Our supervisor said that if nothing has been published by now it is safe to assume that there will be no significant changes regarding work from home.