Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 13:43     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.


+1. I was expecting Sweden to wear Spain down, which is what they did for 2/3 of the game to Japan. Even though Japan had looked better than Spain in possessing the ball and launching slick-passing attacks, at least the early stage of the tournament. The difference I thought is that Spain is not just technical and slick in their passing, they are also (a) physically strong and fast in key positions, (b) able to adapt tactics and playing XI from match to match.

Against Sweden and Netherlands, I thought Spain's approach was similar to their men's team in 2010. Dominate the midfield with superior technical skills, rapid ball recovery and passing. But not go forward in big numbers so that they remain secure at the back against the counter. Possession itself becomes a defensive strategy, and the lack of shots on goal is deceptive because the control of the game is what they are after to win what they know will be a tight game. The CBs were great 1-on-1, the fullbacks were hardworking and didn't bomb forward without someone (a mid) covering them and/or the other full back staying back to create a 3-back, and the 6 (wearing jersey #3) I thought was the underappreciated best player of the game today. When the half-fit Putellas (who showed some nice skills in the 1st half and helped the midfield control the game) was replaced around the 55th by the 19yo from Barca, it was exactly the right move as she could run at tiring defenders and provide an outlet upfront. Really enjoyed the game. Sweden played a good game as well. Tactics were spot-on, and with a bit of luck they could have won just like they did in the earlier rounds.

Couldn't help thinking (once again) that the USWNT was badly undone by the boneheaded coach's refusal to use subs strategically. Both Sweden and Spain, along with every other surviving team, have been doing it so well. There is a plan and pattern to their subbing, as well as flexibility. Subbing in a knockout stage of a WC is not a passive thing that one does only when forced to (injury or stamina or someone not playing well). It is done to change the balance of a game, make a tactical switch or to use your resources maximally.



Great semi-final. I'm impressed by the players' willingness to take long shots and that the shots are going in!

I've only read a bit on the Spain coach issues. I wish the situation was better for the players and those who were originally on the team.


Agreed. I can't help but wonder how the players who opted out feel now that the team is in the finals and might actually win.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 13:38     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.


+1. I was expecting Sweden to wear Spain down, which is what they did for 2/3 of the game to Japan. Even though Japan had looked better than Spain in possessing the ball and launching slick-passing attacks, at least the early stage of the tournament. The difference I thought is that Spain is not just technical and slick in their passing, they are also (a) physically strong and fast in key positions, (b) able to adapt tactics and playing XI from match to match.

Against Sweden and Netherlands, I thought Spain's approach was similar to their men's team in 2010. Dominate the midfield with superior technical skills, rapid ball recovery and passing. But not go forward in big numbers so that they remain secure at the back against the counter. Possession itself becomes a defensive strategy, and the lack of shots on goal is deceptive because the control of the game is what they are after to win what they know will be a tight game. The CBs were great 1-on-1, the fullbacks were hardworking and didn't bomb forward without someone (a mid) covering them and/or the other full back staying back to create a 3-back, and the 6 (wearing jersey #3) I thought was the underappreciated best player of the game today. When the half-fit Putellas (who showed some nice skills in the 1st half and helped the midfield control the game) was replaced around the 55th by the 19yo from Barca, it was exactly the right move as she could run at tiring defenders and provide an outlet upfront. Really enjoyed the game. Sweden played a good game as well. Tactics were spot-on, and with a bit of luck they could have won just like they did in the earlier rounds.

Couldn't help thinking (once again) that the USWNT was badly undone by the boneheaded coach's refusal to use subs strategically. Both Sweden and Spain, along with every other surviving team, have been doing it so well. There is a plan and pattern to their subbing, as well as flexibility. Subbing in a knockout stage of a WC is not a passive thing that one does only when forced to (injury or stamina or someone not playing well). It is done to change the balance of a game, make a tactical switch or to use your resources maximally.



Great semi-final. I'm impressed by the players' willingness to take long shots and that the shots are going in!

I've only read a bit on the Spain coach issues. I wish the situation was better for the players and those who were originally on the team.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 13:10     Subject: Women’s World Cup
It makes sense that all national team players should get paid the same. The olympics works this way. All athletes make the same when they medal, male and female, regardless of sport. Gymnastics and basketball make the revenue but fencing and greco roman wrestling get paid the same.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 11:26     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.


+1. I was expecting Sweden to wear Spain down, which is what they did for 2/3 of the game to Japan. Even though Japan had looked better than Spain in possessing the ball and launching slick-passing attacks, at least the early stage of the tournament. The difference I thought is that Spain is not just technical and slick in their passing, they are also (a) physically strong and fast in key positions, (b) able to adapt tactics and playing XI from match to match.

Against Sweden and Netherlands, I thought Spain's approach was similar to their men's team in 2010. Dominate the midfield with superior technical skills, rapid ball recovery and passing. But not go forward in big numbers so that they remain secure at the back against the counter. Possession itself becomes a defensive strategy, and the lack of shots on goal is deceptive because the control of the game is what they are after to win what they know will be a tight game. The CBs were great 1-on-1, the fullbacks were hardworking and didn't bomb forward without someone (a mid) covering them and/or the other full back staying back to create a 3-back, and the 6 (wearing jersey #3) I thought was the underappreciated best player of the game today. When the half-fit Putellas (who showed some nice skills in the 1st half and helped the midfield control the game) was replaced around the 55th by the 19yo from Barca, it was exactly the right move as she could run at tiring defenders and provide an outlet upfront. Really enjoyed the game. Sweden played a good game as well. Tactics were spot-on, and with a bit of luck they could have won just like they did in the earlier rounds.

Couldn't help thinking (once again) that the USWNT was badly undone by the boneheaded coach's refusal to use subs strategically. Both Sweden and Spain, along with every other surviving team, have been doing it so well. There is a plan and pattern to their subbing, as well as flexibility. Subbing in a knockout stage of a WC is not a passive thing that one does only when forced to (injury or stamina or someone not playing well). It is done to change the balance of a game, make a tactical switch or to use your resources maximally.

Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 11:24     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.


Unlike the Men's World cup, most Americans stop watching the woman's Cup once the US is out of it. They only care about watching the US women. Men's Cup is entirely different beast. People are tuning into every single game and still packing bars to watch them.


Yep. Most of USWNT fans are not soccer fans. It’s more like the Olympics. They tune in two watch the event. Now other countries(women and men) are soccer fans first. They are watching this women’s World Cup and they will watch the women’s Euro and champions league. If the viewership numbers continues to rise in Europe and other places, the money will pour in to the sport. The US will not be able to complete. College soccer and NWSL will not be able to match what the European leagues will pay.

The thing that get me is these same USWNT fans will tell you the US players and system are the best in the world. Yet they have never watched any of these other teams or the women clubs in Europe. The top women’s club teams are better better than any of the teams in the women’s World Cup.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 11:05     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The USWNT and USMNT will split the prize money earned at the tournament equally, less a 10% cut for U.S. Soccer. With the Round of 16 exit, that equates to $1.46 million each.

That is significantly less than the $5.85 million per team earned from the USMNT’s round of 16 exit at the 2022 men’s World Cup.

In others words - men brought in 7 million more and are subsidizing the women's team.


Yes, so what? Lots of new things are subsidized for a time to allow for growth. It’s called investing. Sometimes the growth happens sometimes it doesn’t but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad investment or shouldn’t be done.

Nearly every college sport, men’s and women’s, is subsidized by football. Should colleges stop subsidizing swim teams and wrestling? All high school sports are subsidized.

There’s an argument to be made that uswnt bring in goodwill for us soccer, are more talked about (controversy sells), more recognizable players, and sells more merchandise.

Why is it important to you to show that men are helping support the women as if that’s a bad thing. As a man with a daughter i’m proud to help support the women’s game


DP just stop. The women’s argument was they were bringing in more money vs the men’s and not getting their fair share. The men missed the world cup and brought in 2% less vs women in one cycle. Every other cycle the men brought in more money. It was all just BS. It was never an honest argument. The pay system was different(women got a salary vs men a game check), women were not watched outside of the US, the NWSL is barely financially viable, etc.

The money now goes to the same 23 players who are getting the USWNT salary. Women’s soccer is bigger vs just the USWNT. There is actually less money going to development of female youth soccer and the pay in the NWSL is low(except for the USWNT players). This drives many out of the game.

US Soccer also dropped DA because of the USWNT players’ lawsuit. There was just no way to balance expenditures with so many more boys playing vs girls. Now there is no other path but ECNL. ECNL is good for college but that era of development has passed. You need to continue development over u15.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 10:01     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:The USWNT and USMNT will split the prize money earned at the tournament equally, less a 10% cut for U.S. Soccer. With the Round of 16 exit, that equates to $1.46 million each.

That is significantly less than the $5.85 million per team earned from the USMNT’s round of 16 exit at the 2022 men’s World Cup.

In others words - men brought in 7 million more and are subsidizing the women's team.


Yes, so what? Lots of new things are subsidized for a time to allow for growth. It’s called investing. Sometimes the growth happens sometimes it doesn’t but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad investment or shouldn’t be done.

Nearly every college sport, men’s and women’s, is subsidized by football. Should colleges stop subsidizing swim teams and wrestling? All high school sports are subsidized.

There’s an argument to be made that uswnt bring in goodwill for us soccer, are more talked about (controversy sells), more recognizable players, and sells more merchandise.

Why is it important to you to show that men are helping support the women as if that’s a bad thing. As a man with a daughter i’m proud to help support the women’s game
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 09:17     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.


Unlike the Men's World cup, most Americans stop watching the woman's Cup once the US is out of it. They only care about watching the US women. Men's Cup is entirely different beast. People are tuning into every single game and still packing bars to watch them.
Anonymous
Post 08/15/2023 09:08     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
It's striking how little interest there seems to be outside of discussing the USWNT in what has been an amazing tournament. This morning's game was another close one, with late drama, including another goal scored by Spain's 19-year-old super sub.

Can't wait until tomorrow morning, when I will be rooting for the Matildas to continue their storybook run.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 16:52     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A new coach would help tremendously. Andonovski had no idea what he was doing.


So the rumors was he was a peace maker pick. There was a lot of problems on the team from style of play, older player vs younger, activists vs non, big personalities, etc. The older players did not understand what the younger players were doing. It was like this is how we play, not that passing sh#t. You younger players need to know your place.


He should have fired Rapinou before the World Cup.


He couldn't. This coach was hamstrung from the beginning. He was the safe pick. The good guy everyone liked. It showed on the sideline with the players standing next to him acting foolish.

Jill Ellis would have never stood for what was occurring. The players took over the team - and therefore it failed.

Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 15:10     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A new coach would help tremendously. Andonovski had no idea what he was doing.


So the rumors was he was a peace maker pick. There was a lot of problems on the team from style of play, older player vs younger, activists vs non, big personalities, etc. The older players did not understand what the younger players were doing. It was like this is how we play, not that passing sh#t. You younger players need to know your place.


He should have fired Rapinou before the World Cup.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2023 22:36     Subject: Women’s World Cup
The USWNT and USMNT will split the prize money earned at the tournament equally, less a 10% cut for U.S. Soccer. With the Round of 16 exit, that equates to $1.46 million each.

That is significantly less than the $5.85 million per team earned from the USMNT’s round of 16 exit at the 2022 men’s World Cup.

In others words - men brought in 7 million more and are subsidizing the women's team.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2023 19:58     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:USWNT generated 3 million but will take home 7 million.



Generated 3 million what?


Here is a breakdown of prize money by round:

Group stage: $1,560,000

Round of 16: $1,870,000

Quarterfinals: $2,180,000

Fourth place: $2,455,000

Third place: $2,610,000

Second place 3,015,000

Winner $4,290,000

I do not believe this cumulative. So moving out of the group stage you get $1,870,000(not $1,560,000 plus $1,870,000).

This is the total pay because each player get money also. There is no equal pay. The men get paid more but agreed to split the bonus money. So it is like.


Group stage exit: $2.25 million total per federation
$1.56 million for the federation
$30,000 for each player

Round of 16 exit: $3.25 million total per federation
$1.87 million for the federation
$60,000 for each player

Quarterfinal exit: $4.25 million total per federation
$2.18 million for the federation
$90,000 for each player

Fourth-place finisher: $6.26 million total
$2.46 million for the federation
$165,000 for each player

Third-place finisher: $6.75 million total
$2.61 million for the federation
$180,000 for each player

Second-place finisher: $7.51 million total
$3.02 million for the federation
$195,000 for each player

Winner: $10.50 million total
$4.29 million for the federation
$270,000 for each player

How much money will the USWNT and USMNT make from the 2023 World Cup?
The USWNT and USMNT will split the prize money earned at the tournament equally, less a 10% cut for U.S. Soccer. With the Round of 16 exit, that equates to $1.46 million each.

That is significantly less than the $5.85 million per team earned from the USMNT’s round of 16 exit at the 2022 men’s World Cup.

The discrepancy would have been clear even if the USWNT had won a third consecutive World Cup title. A championship victory would have earned $4.73 million for each national team, still less than the USMNT made in 2022 — but more than for past women’s tournaments. The USWNT won $4 million total for its World Cup win in 2019, up from $2 million in 2015.

https://justwomenssports.com/reads/uswnt-usmnt-shared-prize-money-womens-world-cup-2023/
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2023 18:19     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:USWNT generated 3 million but will take home 7 million.



Generated 3 million what?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2023 17:36     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
I think it's important to note that the US is the size of like 300M people or something. And we have A LOT of girls who happen to play sports, of which one is soccer. We have Title IX allowing this,


Girls soccer was big before Title IX had any effect. 'Daughters of Title IX' was some feminist propaganda to leech off the success of the '99 World Cup team.