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Anonymous wrote:In Texas, the new expectation is that 4th graders need to be armed to protect themselves, obviously. If they’d only had guns, amiright gun nuts?

God damnit I am so angry.

So it is too dangerous for armed and armored cops to take out the killer but kids armed with ?? hand guns? are the ticket? Time to kick Texas out of the Union.

There was an instance in the 1800s where a gunman came in and threatened the teacher. Every student who had one drew their weapon. The gunman decided otherwise. Yes, it was the 1800s but there you are

Of right, that "instance" in the 1800s. Well, that's sure is a purty l'il heartland tale... (You f***ing MAGA idiot.)

It definitely saved the teacher's life. So at least there is that.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

But we haven't been taking guns away. We let the assault weapons ban expire, and mass shooting deaths have increased. Uvalde is the type of place where a lot of people already have guns. A lot of good that did

Was the school a gun-free zone?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

You're rationalizing AR-15 ownership on a thread about the police being too cowardly to save the lives of their own children's classmates.

Think about this. Maybe your viewpoint needs to change.

I'm rationalizing the need for self defense, and the need to combat evil. Police were cowardly, yes. They were in the school and in the hall outside the door and didn't kick it in.

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Anonymous wrote:Guns aren’t going anywhere, especially anytime soon. They are here to stay in our lifetime. Ban or not- they will be available and in circulation for a long time.

We need police with courage. We need police that will put their safety aside and rush in with everything they’ve got- when kids are being mass murdered. I wouldn’t expect this of police in very circumstance. But a school shooting, you
GO IN and stop him or die trying. We need police capable of this

I remember a time when the idea that people wouldn’t smoke cigarettes everywhere was inconceivable.

I hate guns and I can also be realistic about the power of the 2nd amendment.

No amendment about tobacco.

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2A applies to militias. We have a standing military, national guard, and white supremacy militias like the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers and those of their ilk should not have guns.

I don’t think people realize how recent this “2nd amendment = you get a gun! everyone gets a gun!” interpretation is.

It doesn't matter how recent it is or not. It's important to voters in places like Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and the Dakotas. So just in those states alone far fewer than 10 million people will always have ten senators who do NOTHING to push for gun control.

Not if a sht ton of Democratic people who can work remotely decide to move to these states and vote Democratic there.

I actually think this might be the only effective way to make gun control changes in this country. I don’t know if people are willing to make the move at this point but we will hit some point where people are willing to move to make change. This is the only path forward I see.

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Anonymous wrote:Guns aren’t going anywhere, especially anytime soon. They are here to stay in our lifetime. Ban or not- they will be available and in circulation for a long time.

We need police with courage. We need police that will put their safety aside and rush in with everything they’ve got- when kids are being mass murdered. I wouldn’t expect this of police in very circumstance. But a school shooting, you
GO IN and stop him or die trying. We need police capable of this

I remember a time when the idea that people wouldn’t smoke cigarettes everywhere was inconceivable.

I hate guns and I can also be realistic about the power of the 2nd amendment.

No amendment about tobacco.

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2A applies to militias. We have a standing military, national guard, and white supremacy militias like the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers and those of their ilk should not have guns.

I don’t think people realize how recent this “2nd amendment = you get a gun! everyone gets a gun!” interpretation is.

It doesn't matter how recent it is or not. It's important to voters in places like Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and the Dakotas. So just in those states alone far fewer than 10 million people will always have ten senators who do NOTHING to push for gun control.

Not if a sht ton of Democratic people who can work remotely decide to move to these states and vote Democratic there.

These piece of Sh I t cowards had their guns blocking unarmed parents but not pointed towards the killer inside massacring children.


They need to ALL be sentenced to prison where real justice will be served to them.

PP again and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the officers commit suicide after this. I don’t think I could sleep another night in my life if I just stood outside a school where children were being murdered.

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to see them charged with accessory to murder

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They need to be severely punished. I also think they need to be prepared in the future for citizens to take matters into their own hands after seeing the cops do nothing. Why even call them?

Anonymous wrote:You don't see a group of firefighters standing outside of burning building watching it burn down. They fight like hell even if that building is empty. They risked their own lives, saving people, even when they know that there's no hope. We need police reform in this nation. The only reason police unions keep backing Republicans is because they never question and just keep throwing more money at them.
I love civil servants and police forces but they need to be held accountable to do their jobs to do them well and to do them for every person in this nation, not just the whites.

I live in Baltimore and your post hit home. I won’t comment on our police force, except to say it would be hard not to use it to organize your point. But it is so true about firefighters! We had a terrible moment this year

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075599951/three-baltimore-firefighters-killed-rowhome-fire

Three firefighters died doing their jobs trying to prevent abandoned row homes from causing too much damage. I feel so much for them and they came together with each other and the community. Thank you for a reminder that we should not lose faith in all institutions this week.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

Your rationalizing this. Response time was good. Why a school resource officer and some teachers be better than cops? The cops were there and ran away. I mean I guess you're correct that people in the school might not have been so willing to abandon 10 year olds to fate but it can't be stated enough. The cops responded in time. Unfortunately, they ran away. If the very people that are trained to respond are too afraid. If the very people most heavily armed and equipped are too afraid. If the very people that are supposed to protect and serve are too afraid. Then what good is more weapons? In California, last week - omg, an unarmed middle aged doctor sacrificed his life and saved the day. In Schanksville, unarmed people sacrificied their lives and saved the day. Guns don't save the day. People save the day. If the Uvalde police had a mini-gun it wouldn't have changed a single thing. Since people being selfless instead of selfish is the determining factor then shouldn't we give them a fighting chance by banning military grade assault weapons?

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Anonymous wrote:In Texas, the new expectation is that 4th graders need to be armed to protect themselves, obviously. If they’d only had guns, amiright gun nuts?

God damnit I am so angry.

So it is too dangerous for armed and armored cops to take out the killer but kids armed with ?? hand guns? are the ticket? Time to kick Texas out of the Union.

There was an instance in the 1800s where a gunman came in and threatened the teacher. Every student who had one drew their weapon. The gunman decided otherwise. Yes, it was the 1800s but there you are

Of right, that "instance" in the 1800s. Well, that's sure is a purty l'il heartland tale... (You f***ing MAGA idiot.)

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Anonymous wrote:So unarmed parents wanted to get in there and take on this situation and all those officers with all those fancy weapons that that community bought for them, wanted to stay outside?

Yes. And handcuffed parents willing to risk their lives instead of going after the gunman. Was the gunman an off duty cop, the son of the chief of police? WTH? “Protect and serve” who? Cowards.

gawd... I just want to cry. I'm just picturing myself in that situation.. hearing my kid screaming while a gunman is in there. Those parents put their faith in law enforcement and their local politicians, and this is what they got.

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Yes. And handcuffed parents willing to risk their lives instead of going after the gunman. Was the gunman an off duty cop, the son of the chief of police? WTH? “Protect and serve” who? Cowards.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

But we haven't been taking guns away. We let the assault weapons ban expire, and mass shooting deaths have increased. Uvalde is the type of place where a lot of people already have guns. A lot of good that did

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

You're rationalizing AR-15 ownership on a thread about the police being too cowardly to save the lives of their own children's classmates.

Think about this. Maybe your viewpoint needs to change.