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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

That’s because the average age of the mother at childbirth is rising. Mother Nature doesn’t care that you can’t afford kids yet; the best time, biologically, to have a kid is between the ages of 17 and 24. But obviously that’s very difficult to do in 2022.

OP here.

This forced birther has unwittingly tipped their hand. No, biologically, being a teenager is not the best time to have a baby, ever. The girl’s/woman’s body is still developing and her brain and emotions are still developing, too. This “between the ages of 17 and 24” is sexist and misogynist nonsense, the kind of crap MRA men use to try and cow women with lower self esteem into having a baby with them (and being yoked to them for life).

And despite what people like pp say, younger women are still the ones having the most babies, and they’re the ones having the most babies with special needs (and less money to deal with it).

Women get to decide what kind of challenges they want to accept as a mother. Since Down Syndrome is the best known and everyone wants to pretend that everything is all rosy for people with Down Syndrome because they’ve only seen the high functioning and healthy people with it, it’s not. People with Down Syndrome are on a continuum, some of whom will lead fairly straightforward, healthy, happy lives but even they usually need a few surgeries to correct various problems. Tell us again, forced birthers, where you come down on nationalized healthcare that might make it possible for woman who would carry such a pregnancy to term if she could afford the complicated healthcare her child would require, but can’t in good conscience do so when she knows she wouldn’t be able to afford the heart surgeries many high functioning babies with Downs need.

This all comes down to forced birthers hating women and wanting to punish them. No birth control. No choice in continuing a pregnancy. No say if a pregnancy kills you. No say in having a baby who bankrupt your family and destroy your marriage. There’s no kindness here, and beyond lip service, there’s no help for the disabled community among the forced birthers, either. You guys just hate women.

Adoption is a messy business. The regulations on it change constantly.

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Anonymous wrote:The enslavement of women.

That is what this is, plain and simple.

No one is forcing women to become pregnant. If you are a woman who doesn’t want to be pregnant, and you get pregnant, that’s not forced pregnancy.

Many forms of bc are 99% reliable. The cast majority of abortions take place because of lifestyle choices. Slavery is different. Unfortunately there are millions of real slaves in the world, mostly poor, 3rd world women and children. Please don’t equate the horrifically brutal plight of slaves to women who don’t use birth control and are shocked pickachu face when they become pregnant.

If someone forces me to have a baby, I will scream at it day and night for it's entire life.

I will get even with the forced birthers. .

Abusing your own infant son or daughter won’t get even with anyone…it will just show what a child abusing psycho you are. Hopefully someone would protect your helpless child and call the police and have you arrested.

Also there’s something called adoption. Let people who care about infants give your son or daughter a loving home.

You are one of sickest people I’ve ever seen posting on the internet. You openly admit you would abuse your own infant.

I AM ADOPTED!

And that is why I know it is not a cure all.

Yelling is not illegal.

You want to force me to give birth against my will? You will have a generation of seething, angry parents.

I get the feeling that you don’t have a problem with accidental pregnancies.

Because they were one? Maybe they are against accidental pregnancies and forced birth because they see how awful the results can be. Maybe they met their birth mom and learned she is crapping out her vagina, or maybe birth mom died.

You really have to wonder about the mental stability of people who think banning abortion in favor of adoption is a good idea. What kind of monster demands that other women suffer so they can build their joy. I’ll tell you - the same ones that had no problem living it up in the plantation house while the slaves worked outside, or the eager Germans who more than happy to take over Jewish businesses. Monsters all.

What nobody seems to consider is that we, as humans, do not have nearly as much self-control as we think we do. We don’t have free will. Sex is a biological, primal need and on a population level we are not able to resist it.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

So we should just abort them because they’ll be inconvenient? That’s gross thinking.

Do you also support euthanizing people when they need wheelchairs, have dementia, need dialysis etc?

If that’s the mindset in America then by all means ban abortions.

You are an authoritarian, but you can’t seem to help it. Here’s a novel idea: if an individual woman desires to abort her potentially disabled fetus, she should be able to.

If an individual parent wants to euthanize their actually (not potentially) disabled child, should they be allowed? Why not, under your moral line of thinking? Also, which disabilities would be eligible under your moral standards?

Because the potential child has already become a child by being born. The umbilical cord has been cut.

I don’t support live infanticide.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You may see abortion in very simplistic terms but I think you're neglecting to recognize that this issue is far more complicated for millions of people. You may see a fetus as a clump of cells under the total autonomy of a woman's body. Perhaps you see abortion as no more consequential as throwing out yesterday's stale bread. I see it very differently, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I possess the absolute truth on this issue. My understanding of science and moral compass leads me to believe that abortion is murder but I'll also concede that I might be wrong, and this is why ultimately I think a woman should possess the legal right to choose. However, I think abortion is probably the most selfish and barbaric act a woman could ever make. To take a growing life with its own DNA and discard it for convenience is madness.

Parenting is the world’s most important job. It’s a lot more than inconvenience. And everyone should be doing it willingly.

So stick a rubber on it or take the pill. Use the rhythm method. Pull out. Abstain. Geez, there's a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, and if you're not ready to become a parent, then don't put yourself in the position to potentially become one.

If you don't want to get drunk, don't drink. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a baby, then don't have unprotected sex.

How to to tell us you are a moron without telling us you are a moron.

Thanks for the kind words. I know how pregnancies happen and how to avoid one if I want to, which apparently is a concept you find bizarre.

It’s so odd that there are multiple free forms of birth control available and women can’t figure out how to prevent pregnancy. Many forms of bc have rates of 98-99% effectiveness in preventing pregnancy.

But women, who are so “sovereign” over their own bodies, would rather kill their own child than apply a few moments of responsibility to their lives, or ask their sex partner to do so.

You keep saying this. It is not true.

Also, those birth control methods that are very effective will be outlawed when abortion is. That is already in the works.

Could you cite?

Not PP but it’s a continuum. The right to an abortion in Roe hangs on the same right to privacy that stems from the right to birth control in Griswold.

Every Republican candidate running for Attorney General just said in a debate that they disagree with the Griswold decision. Not Roe, Griswold.
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2022/02/21/michigan-gop-birth-control-griswold-abortion-dobbs/6879282001/

“Republicans have started to blur the lines between birth control and abortion in the hopes of making it harder for American women to get both birth control and abortions. And nowhere is this clearer than in the Missouri statehouse, where lawmakers debated whether they needed to restrict Medicaid coverage of birth control and limit payments to Planned Parenthood. Yes, as the Kansas City Star reported, lawmakers there spent hours last week in a discussion that “resembled a remedial sex-education course.” It was a tricky play, attacking birth control as a way to attack abortion, and it didn’t work…this time.

“What’s been happening in Missouri last week should serve as a warning sign for what’s to come,” says Alexis McGill Johnson, president of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund. “We’re already hearing members of the U.S. Congress spread the same falsehoods we’ve seen in Missouri, conflating medications that prevent pregnancy—birth control and emergency contraception—with medications that end pregnancy.”
https://www.vogue.com/article/anti-birth-control-movement

“The cover story this time is about abortion. The Trump administration passed a new Department of Health and Human Services rule terminating Title X funding for any clinic that offers abortion referrals to patients who might need one. Planned Parenthood, along with any other clinic that follows responsible health care practices, is now facing the loss of this extremely important source of contraception funding.

This is being framed by conservatives as an effort to reduce the abortion rate. That makes about as much sense as taking away measles vaccines from clinics that also treat measles cases. Contraception is the only effective way to prevent abortion.”
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/20/why-are-republicans-taking-away-birth-control-because-they-dont-want-women-to-have-it/

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You may see abortion in very simplistic terms but I think you're neglecting to recognize that this issue is far more complicated for millions of people. You may see a fetus as a clump of cells under the total autonomy of a woman's body. Perhaps you see abortion as no more consequential as throwing out yesterday's stale bread. I see it very differently, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I possess the absolute truth on this issue. My understanding of science and moral compass leads me to believe that abortion is murder but I'll also concede that I might be wrong, and this is why ultimately I think a woman should possess the legal right to choose. However, I think abortion is probably the most selfish and barbaric act a woman could ever make. To take a growing life with its own DNA and discard it for convenience is madness.

Parenting is the world’s most important job. It’s a lot more than inconvenience. And everyone should be doing it willingly.

So stick a rubber on it or take the pill. Use the rhythm method. Pull out. Abstain. Geez, there's a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, and if you're not ready to become a parent, then don't put yourself in the position to potentially become one.

If you don't want to get drunk, don't drink. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a baby, then don't have unprotected sex.

How to to tell us you are a moron without telling us you are a moron.

Thanks for the kind words. I know how pregnancies happen and how to avoid one if I want to, which apparently is a concept you find bizarre.

It’s so odd that there are multiple free forms of birth control available and women can’t figure out how to prevent pregnancy. Many forms of bc have rates of 98-99% effectiveness in preventing pregnancy.

But women, who are so “sovereign” over their own bodies, would rather kill their own child than apply a few moments of responsibility to their lives, or ask their sex partner to do so.

You keep saying this. It is not true.

Also, those birth control methods that are very effective will be outlawed when abortion is. That is already in the works.

Could you cite?

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

So we should just abort them because they’ll be inconvenient? That’s gross thinking.

Do you also support euthanizing people when they need wheelchairs, have dementia, need dialysis etc?

If that’s the mindset in America then by all means ban abortions.

I have one disabled child. I would not willingly give birth to another.

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.

DP. I am sorry to hear you have a disabled child which I'm sure has been a huge impact on your family.

I have never been in your shoes before but I have known people with downs syndrome kids and they love their kids with all their hearts and wouldn't trade them for the world.

Knowing what you know now and what you and your family have had to go through, do you regret not having an abortion?

That's a great question. I don't know know the answer. I would not do it again. I chose to have no more children.

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Anonymous wrote:The enslavement of women.

That is what this is, plain and simple.

No one is forcing women to become pregnant. If you are a woman who doesn’t want to be pregnant, and you get pregnant, that’s not forced pregnancy.

Many forms of bc are 99% reliable. The cast majority of abortions take place because of lifestyle choices. Slavery is different. Unfortunately there are millions of real slaves in the world, mostly poor, 3rd world women and children. Please don’t equate the horrifically brutal plight of slaves to women who don’t use birth control and are shocked pickachu face when they become pregnant.

If someone forces me to have a baby, I will scream at it day and night for it's entire life.

I will get even with the forced birthers. .

Abusing your own infant son or daughter won’t get even with anyone…it will just show what a child abusing psycho you are. Hopefully someone would protect your helpless child and call the police and have you arrested.

Also there’s something called adoption. Let people who care about infants give your son or daughter a loving home.

You are one of sickest people I’ve ever seen posting on the internet. You openly admit you would abuse your own infant.

I AM ADOPTED!

And that is why I know it is not a cure all.

Yelling is not illegal.

You want to force me to give birth against my will? You will have a generation of seething, angry parents.

I get the feeling that you don’t have a problem with accidental pregnancies.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

So we should just abort them because they’ll be inconvenient? That’s gross thinking.

Do you also support euthanizing people when they need wheelchairs, have dementia, need dialysis etc?

If that’s the mindset in America then by all means ban abortions.

I have one disabled child. I would not willingly give birth to another.

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.

DP. I am sorry to hear you have a disabled child which I'm sure has been a huge impact on your family.

I have never been in your shoes before but I have known people with downs syndrome kids and they love their kids with all their hearts and wouldn't trade them for the world.

Knowing what you know now and what you and your family have had to go through, do you regret not having an abortion?

That wouldn't trade them. Now ask if they would have another one.

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Anonymous wrote:The enslavement of women.

That is what this is, plain and simple.

No one is forcing women to become pregnant. If you are a woman who doesn’t want to be pregnant, and you get pregnant, that’s not forced pregnancy.

Many forms of bc are 99% reliable. The cast majority of abortions take place because of lifestyle choices. Slavery is different. Unfortunately there are millions of real slaves in the world, mostly poor, 3rd world women and children. Please don’t equate the horrifically brutal plight of slaves to women who don’t use birth control and are shocked pickachu face when they become pregnant.

If someone forces me to have a baby, I will scream at it day and night for it's entire life.

I will get even with the forced birthers. .

Abusing your own infant son or daughter won’t get even with anyone…it will just show what a child abusing psycho you are. Hopefully someone would protect your helpless child and call the police and have you arrested.

Also there’s something called adoption. Let people who care about infants give your son or daughter a loving home.

You are one of sickest people I’ve ever seen posting on the internet. You openly admit you would abuse your own infant.

I AM ADOPTED!

And that is why I know it is not a cure all.

Yelling is not illegal.

You want to force me to give birth against my will? You will have a generation of seething, angry parents.

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

So we should just abort them because they’ll be inconvenient? That’s gross thinking.

Do you also support euthanizing people when they need wheelchairs, have dementia, need dialysis etc?

If that’s the mindset in America then by all means ban abortions.

I have one disabled child. I would not willingly give birth to another.

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.

DP. I am sorry to hear you have a disabled child which I'm sure has been a huge impact on your family.

I have never been in your shoes before but I have known people with downs syndrome kids and they love their kids with all their hearts and wouldn't trade them for the world.

Knowing what you know now and what you and your family have had to go through, do you regret not having an abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

So we should just abort them because they’ll be inconvenient? That’s gross thinking.

Do you also support euthanizing people when they need wheelchairs, have dementia, need dialysis etc?

If that’s the mindset in America then by all means ban abortions.

I have one disabled child. I would not willingly give birth to another.

You have zero idea of what you are talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You may see abortion in very simplistic terms but I think you're neglecting to recognize that this issue is far more complicated for millions of people. You may see a fetus as a clump of cells under the total autonomy of a woman's body. Perhaps you see abortion as no more consequential as throwing out yesterday's stale bread. I see it very differently, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I possess the absolute truth on this issue. My understanding of science and moral compass leads me to believe that abortion is murder but I'll also concede that I might be wrong, and this is why ultimately I think a woman should possess the legal right to choose. However, I think abortion is probably the most selfish and barbaric act a woman could ever make. To take a growing life with its own DNA and discard it for convenience is madness.

Parenting is the world’s most important job. It’s a lot more than inconvenience. And everyone should be doing it willingly.

So stick a rubber on it or take the pill. Use the rhythm method. Pull out. Abstain. Geez, there's a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, and if you're not ready to become a parent, then don't put yourself in the position to potentially become one.

If you don't want to get drunk, don't drink. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a baby, then don't have unprotected sex.

How to to tell us you are a moron without telling us you are a moron.

Thanks for the kind words. I know how pregnancies happen and how to avoid one if I want to, which apparently is a concept you find bizarre.

It’s so odd that there are multiple free forms of birth control available and women can’t figure out how to prevent pregnancy. Many forms of bc have rates of 98-99% effectiveness in preventing pregnancy.

But women, who are so “sovereign” over their own bodies, would rather kill their own child than apply a few moments of responsibility to their lives, or ask their sex partner to do so.

You keep saying this. It is not true.

Also, those birth control methods that are very effective will be outlawed when abortion is. That is already in the works.

Anonymous wrote:If abortion is murder, then why allow it any case, including in the instances of rape, incest, or health of the mother? Crickets.

If a pregnant woman and her fetus are killed, the killer is charged for two murders.