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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

I don’t know too many people who plan to stay at Basis for high school. I chose it got middle school only.

Many BASIS MS parents claim this. But in reality, at least half BASIS MS families stay on for HS and I won't be surprised if more do as time goes on, especially from the Hill.

Unless parents can afford private HS, or are prepared to move to the burbs, where else will the Hill MS kids at BASIS land? Walls admissions has become much more of a crap shoot in the last couple years, Eastern is going nowhere for in-boundary families, OOB spots at Jackson-Reed (Wilson) are almost impossible to come by these days, and the new HS in Ward 3 on McArthur Blvd (not an easy commute from the Hill, like the BASIS schlep) may or may not materialize within the next few years.

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Anonymous wrote:High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.

Good for your kid. But I am not sure how you "know" how your kid would have done at other schools.

Looking at PARCC, I certainly agree that there is no comparison between Jefferson and Basis:

Jefferson: 36.6% 4+ ELA, 20.9% 4+ math
Basis: 80.2% 4+ ELA, 64.5% 4+ math

The BASIS score is actually much lower than I had expected.

Sure, but that is for all grades. BASIS is 100% lottery for 5th grade so you would expect the 5th grade PARCC scores there to be relatively lower than, say, 8th grade.

The fair comparison is to look at 8th grade PARCC scores, when kids have been at BASIS for at least 3 years. Looking at those scores, BASIS has the top PARCC scores in both reading and math in DC (82% 4+ ELA and 82% 4+ math).

We’re headed to BASIS but why would it be more fair to compare 8th grade, after BASIS weeded out the kids who can’t hack it, instead of 5th grade, where BASIS is stuck with all the kids who lottery in, just like Jefferson?

Because the 5th grade results reflect what the kids learned at their previous school not Basis.

How does that make sense? Testing occurs 7-8 months after school starts.

Are you that dense?

What best represents how a school is doing? A test of kids who attended other schools for years and then took a test 7-8 months into a new school or a test that occurs after the kids have attended the same school for 3 1/2 years?

That would be like saying you should judge Harvard's education by how well freshman at Harvard test.

Still, regardless, BASIS has great scores compared to other schools. Maybe that is due somewhat to self-selection for 5th grade.

How many BASIS kids who score 1s and 2s on PARCC in 5th are still there by 8th? Keep trying.

You asked a question to which available data suggests an answer. And it doesn't suggest the outcome you think it does.

ELA:
5th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 10 kids (7.2% of 139)
8th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 3 kids (3.4% of 89)
Math:
5th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 15 kids (10.7% of 140)
8th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 6 kids (6.6% of 89)

The raw numbers (10 to 3 and 15 to 6 suggest a pretty big dropoff in low-scoring kids at the school). The class size changes are pretty striking as well...

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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

I don’t know too many people who plan to stay at Basis for high school. I chose it got middle school only.

Many BASIS MS parents claim this. But in reality, at least half BASIS MS families stay on for HS and I won't be surprised if more do as time goes on, especially from the Hill.

Unless parents can afford private HS, or are prepared to move to the burbs, where else will the Hill MS kids at BASIS land? Walls admissions has become much more of a crap shoot in the last couple years, Eastern is going nowhere for in-boundary families, OOB spots at Jackson-Reed (Wilson) are almost impossible to come by these days, and the new HS in Ward 3 on McArthur Blvd (not an easy commute from the Hill, like the BASIS schlep) may or may not materialize within the next few years.

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Anonymous wrote:High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.

Good for your kid. But I am not sure how you "know" how your kid would have done at other schools.

Looking at PARCC, I certainly agree that there is no comparison between Jefferson and Basis:

Jefferson: 36.6% 4+ ELA, 20.9% 4+ math
Basis: 80.2% 4+ ELA, 64.5% 4+ math

The BASIS score is actually much lower than I had expected.

Sure, but that is for all grades. BASIS is 100% lottery for 5th grade so you would expect the 5th grade PARCC scores there to be relatively lower than, say, 8th grade.

The fair comparison is to look at 8th grade PARCC scores, when kids have been at BASIS for at least 3 years. Looking at those scores, BASIS has the top PARCC scores in both reading and math in DC (82% 4+ ELA and 82% 4+ math).

We’re headed to BASIS but why would it be more fair to compare 8th grade, after BASIS weeded out the kids who can’t hack it, instead of 5th grade, where BASIS is stuck with all the kids who lottery in, just like Jefferson?

Because the 5th grade results reflect what the kids learned at their previous school not Basis.

How does that make sense? Testing occurs 7-8 months after school starts.

Are you that dense?

What best represents how a school is doing? A test of kids who attended other schools for years and then took a test 7-8 months into a new school or a test that occurs after the kids have attended the same school for 3 1/2 years?

That would be like saying you should judge Harvard's education by how well freshman at Harvard test.

Still, regardless, BASIS has great scores compared to other schools. Maybe that is due somewhat to self-selection for 5th grade.

How many BASIS kids who score 1s and 2s on PARCC in 5th are still there by 8th? Keep trying.

You asked a question to which available data suggests an answer. And it doesn't suggest the outcome you think it does.

ELA:
5th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 10 kids (7.2% of 139)
8th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 3 kids (3.4% of 89)
Math:
5th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 15 kids (10.7% of 140)
8th graders scoring 1 or 2 - 6 kids (6.6% of 89)

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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

I don’t know too many people who plan to stay at Basis for high school. I chose it got middle school only.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

I don’t know too many people who plan to stay at Basis for high school. I chose it got middle school only.

My kid is in 7th now at Basis - I think she will stay for HS.

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Anonymous wrote:High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.

Good for your kid. But I am not sure how you "know" how your kid would have done at other schools.

Looking at PARCC, I certainly agree that there is no comparison between Jefferson and Basis:

Jefferson: 36.6% 4+ ELA, 20.9% 4+ math
Basis: 80.2% 4+ ELA, 64.5% 4+ math

The BASIS score is actually much lower than I had expected.

Sure, but that is for all grades. BASIS is 100% lottery for 5th grade so you would expect the 5th grade PARCC scores there to be relatively lower than, say, 8th grade.

The fair comparison is to look at 8th grade PARCC scores, when kids have been at BASIS for at least 3 years. Looking at those scores, BASIS has the top PARCC scores in both reading and math in DC (82% 4+ ELA and 82% 4+ math).

We’re headed to BASIS but why would it be more fair to compare 8th grade, after BASIS weeded out the kids who can’t hack it, instead of 5th grade, where BASIS is stuck with all the kids who lottery in, just like Jefferson?

Because the 5th grade results reflect what the kids learned at their previous school not Basis.

How does that make sense? Testing occurs 7-8 months after school starts.

Are you that dense?

What best represents how a school is doing? A test of kids who attended other schools for years and then took a test 7-8 months into a new school or a test that occurs after the kids have attended the same school for 3 1/2 years?

That would be like saying you should judge Harvard's education by how well freshman at Harvard test.

Still, regardless, BASIS has great scores compared to other schools. Maybe that is due somewhat to self-selection for 5th grade.

How many BASIS kids who score 1s and 2s on PARCC in 5th are still there by 8th? Keep trying.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

I don’t know too many people who plan to stay at Basis for high school. I chose it got middle school only.

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Anonymous wrote:High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.

Good for your kid. But I am not sure how you "know" how your kid would have done at other schools.

Looking at PARCC, I certainly agree that there is no comparison between Jefferson and Basis:

Jefferson: 36.6% 4+ ELA, 20.9% 4+ math
Basis: 80.2% 4+ ELA, 64.5% 4+ math

The BASIS score is actually much lower than I had expected.

Sure, but that is for all grades. BASIS is 100% lottery for 5th grade so you would expect the 5th grade PARCC scores there to be relatively lower than, say, 8th grade.

The fair comparison is to look at 8th grade PARCC scores, when kids have been at BASIS for at least 3 years. Looking at those scores, BASIS has the top PARCC scores in both reading and math in DC (82% 4+ ELA and 82% 4+ math).

We’re headed to BASIS but why would it be more fair to compare 8th grade, after BASIS weeded out the kids who can’t hack it, instead of 5th grade, where BASIS is stuck with all the kids who lottery in, just like Jefferson?

Because the 5th grade results reflect what the kids learned at their previous school not Basis.

How does that make sense? Testing occurs 7-8 months after school starts.

Are you that dense?

What best represents how a school is doing? A test of kids who attended other schools for years and then took a test 7-8 months into a new school or a test that occurs after the kids have attended the same school for 3 1/2 years?

That would be like saying you should judge Harvard's education by how well freshman at Harvard test.

Still, regardless, BASIS has great scores compared to other schools. Maybe that is due somewhat to self-selection for 5th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:BASIS 5th graders get the scores they do mainly because they're mostly upper-middle class kids, period.

Why are their scores so low, then?

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Anonymous wrote:BASIS 5th graders get the scores they do mainly because they're mostly upper-middle class kids, period.

Why are their scores so low, then?

Anonymous wrote:BASIS 5th graders get the scores they do mainly because they're mostly upper-middle class kids, period.

Anonymous wrote:I think many parents bail for Basis or Latin l/ll (if they can) not because SH is that bad but to have a guarantee HS option (and no application headaches) that is better than Eastern.

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Anonymous wrote:High achieving boy who went on to doing very well in a test-in high school: We went with Jefferson and never had any regrets. I'm convinced he'd have done well at Elliot-Hine or Stuart-Hobson. He'd have been fine at Basis, too. The reason he excelled at Jefferson and became the academically strong and well-rounded person he now is is because he had committed and caring teachers who "get" middle schoolers and who worked with him to get him where he wanted and let him own the process. And because it's close by, he was able to pursue sports and scouts, which enriched his pandemic experience. And he had a set of genuine and funny and also some academically strong friends. Had he been in a place like Basis, he'd have become a kid worried and "pressed" about academics. As it stands, he became a caring, well-rounded, and academically strong teenager.

Good for your kid. But I am not sure how you "know" how your kid would have done at other schools.

Looking at PARCC, I certainly agree that there is no comparison between Jefferson and Basis:

Jefferson: 36.6% 4+ ELA, 20.9% 4+ math
Basis: 80.2% 4+ ELA, 64.5% 4+ math

The BASIS score is actually much lower than I had expected.

Sure, but that is for all grades. BASIS is 100% lottery for 5th grade so you would expect the 5th grade PARCC scores there to be relatively lower than, say, 8th grade.

The fair comparison is to look at 8th grade PARCC scores, when kids have been at BASIS for at least 3 years. Looking at those scores, BASIS has the top PARCC scores in both reading and math in DC (82% 4+ ELA and 82% 4+ math).

We’re headed to BASIS but why would it be more fair to compare 8th grade, after BASIS weeded out the kids who can’t hack it, instead of 5th grade, where BASIS is stuck with all the kids who lottery in, just like Jefferson?

Because the 5th grade results reflect what the kids learned at their previous school not Basis.

How does that make sense? Testing occurs 7-8 months after school starts.