Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:43     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:big law poster above should answer if he/she is indeed big law as claimed


Why should they?



because they indicated they were big law and so they understand how these relationships work and the structures involved. the person right above this, as example, clearly doesn't understand this issue and is just here to troll with dumb answers


Doesn’t mean they should answer anything.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:40     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:big law poster above should answer if he/she is indeed big law as claimed


Why should they?



was that you pretending to be big law?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:39     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:big law poster above should answer if he/she is indeed big law as claimed


Why should they?



because they indicated they were big law and so they understand how these relationships work and the structures involved. the person right above this, as example, clearly doesn't understand this issue and is just here to troll with dumb answers
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:24     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Meh. I would contact his boss and say the constant calls with no new updates are getting to be excessive and to talk to him about professionalism.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:20     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:big law poster above should answer if he/she is indeed big law as claimed


Why should they?

Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 14:03     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

big law poster above should answer if he/she is indeed big law as claimed
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:21     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

If a person leaves numerous voicemails and you never call them back once and only email, I believe that comes off as slighting them.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:21     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.



you are not a lawyer, you don't understand this world, so move on


How do you know PP is not a lawyer?

It’s obvious. I’ll let you ponder


So, you don’t.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:17     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.



you are not a lawyer, you don't understand this world, so move on


How do you know PP is not a lawyer?

It’s obvious. I’ll let you ponder
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:14     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.



you are not a lawyer, you don't understand this world, so move on


How do you know PP is not a lawyer?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:13     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He's sexist and stupid, and his age does have something to do with it, unfortunately.

Don't pick up. Your time and mental health are your priority. You can respond by email and write in the email that you prefer to communicate via this method.

Please do whatever it takes to not use him again for another project.


Yes, unfortunately age is part of it. He likely grew up at a time when there were no women lawyers at firms. Women were secretaries only. I'm sure he has come a long way, but it does affect one's perception, unintended or not.


That just is impossible for any Boomer lawyer. We have retired female partners from my firm who are in their 70s -- it's not like there weren't women at law firms in the 1980s and 1990s! This is not a new thing. It's also very, very rare for even older lawyers not to understand how email works. I have literally only one opposing counsel that is this way, and it's not due to his age -- it's becasue he's incompetent and also a little shady, so doesn't want things in writing.
Do you review the bills, or is that your inhouse GC? If it's your inhouse GC, let him or her know that this is going on, and that you don't think you should be paying for all these unnecessary and lengthy calls. But generally speaking, I don't see how he can force you to do this. Just don't answer his calls and send an email. Or set a quick 15 minute call for updates bimonthly, and then tell him "I'm sorry -- I need to run to my next meeting." Or just say "Thanks for the update, Bill, This call is running long and I'll need to jump off now, but please email me if there's anything I need to know."



If he's close to 80- which he probably is- then he probably went to law school in the early 70s, and no, there were not many (if any) women partners or really many women lawyers at all. Even when I started practicing in the 2000s, there were still far more many male partners than women partners.


Why 80?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:12     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.



OP has not yet absorbed her company’s nice corporate culture.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:12     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.



you are not a lawyer, you don't understand this world, so move on
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:11     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He's sexist and stupid, and his age does have something to do with it, unfortunately.

Don't pick up. Your time and mental health are your priority. You can respond by email and write in the email that you prefer to communicate via this method.

Please do whatever it takes to not use him again for another project.


Yes, unfortunately age is part of it. He likely grew up at a time when there were no women lawyers at firms. Women were secretaries only. I'm sure he has come a long way, but it does affect one's perception, unintended or not.


That just is impossible for any Boomer lawyer. We have retired female partners from my firm who are in their 70s -- it's not like there weren't women at law firms in the 1980s and 1990s! This is not a new thing. It's also very, very rare for even older lawyers not to understand how email works. I have literally only one opposing counsel that is this way, and it's not due to his age -- it's becasue he's incompetent and also a little shady, so doesn't want things in writing.
Do you review the bills, or is that your inhouse GC? If it's your inhouse GC, let him or her know that this is going on, and that you don't think you should be paying for all these unnecessary and lengthy calls. But generally speaking, I don't see how he can force you to do this. Just don't answer his calls and send an email. Or set a quick 15 minute call for updates bimonthly, and then tell him "I'm sorry -- I need to run to my next meeting." Or just say "Thanks for the update, Bill, This call is running long and I'll need to jump off now, but please email me if there's anything I need to know."



If he's close to 80- which he probably is- then he probably went to law school in the early 70s, and no, there were not many (if any) women partners or really many women lawyers at all. Even when I started practicing in the 2000s, there were still far more many male partners than women partners.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 13:10     Subject: Boomer outside counsel who insists on calling me incessantly, basically demanding I call him back

"Boomer is ageism. You both sound somewhat rude."

Agreed. We all want to empathize with you but OP that was troubling language from you right away. Get rid of the age and any other biases you have. We all grew up differently. Bring in a higher level person for a brief check in/escalation as needed. signed, younger person who prefers the phone vs. text.