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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

That exactly the point - the data is NOT ALL THERE. Your data is based on the first two years of the school. The two years that did not have a dedicated Hardy feed and also that did not have a full enrollment, but only a few grades, and also did not have the campus fully constructed… Of COURSE IB parents with other options did not choose it in large numbers… only a couple dozen or so for those first first couple of years. But guess what? That is over now. The school is now pulling over 50% of Hardy graduates in just the first year of the dedicated feed and is on track to pull just as many this year and in the future.

So please, stop your masquerade about “not trashing” - it’s limp and lame. You clearly have an agenda against the success of this school. It’s weird, but it’s plain to see.

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Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

No one is trashing the school. But if you are going to make subjective or false statements, be ready to be countered with data. It’s all there.

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

Your numbers are wrong.

For Hardy, 5s are 35% and 11%. So, correcting...
If 90 went to MA
ELA 35% = 32 kids
Math 11% = 10 kids

-- You are assuming all Deal 9th graders go to J-R? Wut?

-- You fail to count the non-Hardy high-scoring students going to Macarthur that are not from Hardy. Surely there are a few.

-- Future 9th graders at Macarthur don't need to 'make a dent' in the full 600 students at the school. The makeup of the current Sr and Jr classes is pretty irrelevant to them. What matters for them is the 200 students in their grade, with some impact from the grade ahead and behind.

Not sure where you are getting your data but mine is from DC report card.

If yours is a legitimate source and more recent then you also know the numbers at Deal and MA which you have not shared.

No, not really any significant high scoring, above grade level kids at MA, 5% in ELA and <1% in math.

My source is the information Hardy distributed with this year's scores, so the most current data and, no, I do not have Deal's or Macarthur's latest data.

You, and some other peopple talking about Macarthur, act like the past data has great meaning when the school has only been open 2 years, and Hardy has only fully fed to it for 2 months.

Past data is not indicative of the future, which is why all this "omg, the data! title 1! etc etc" is vapid. You can't use data without Macarthur without putting it in the context of a rapidly (relatively) evolving situation.

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

Your numbers are wrong.

For Hardy, 5s are 35% and 11%. So, correcting...
If 90 went to MA
ELA 35% = 32 kids
Math 11% = 10 kids

-- You are assuming all Deal 9th graders go to J-R? Wut?

-- You fail to count the non-Hardy high-scoring students going to Macarthur that are not from Hardy. Surely there are a few.

-- Future 9th graders at Macarthur don't need to 'make a dent' in the full 600 students at the school. The makeup of the current Sr and Jr classes is pretty irrelevant to them. What matters for them is the 200 students in their grade, with some impact from the grade ahead and behind.

Not sure where you are getting your data but mine is from DC report card.

If yours is a legitimate source and more recent then you also know the numbers at Deal and MA which you have not shared.

No, not really any significant high scoring, above grade level kids at MA, 5% in ELA and <1% in math.

Anonymous wrote:I truly do not understand the people trashing MacArthur here.

Are you neighborhood people trying to keep kids away? I promise you, your best shot at making this a school that is palatable to you is to make it so attractive to Hardy families that it becomes stacked in bound only families like JR.

Are you JR/Deal families that want to maintain the image of supremacy (while also complaining about overcrowding)?

The best case scenario for the whole city but especially any family that has an existing path into either JR or Mac is to lift up Mac so that it is comparable to JR. They will not be exactly the same. Macarthur Blvd won't turn into Tenley at any rapid pace, JR will have established sports programs (which is not all upsides when your kid doesn't make the team) while Mac builds theirs out, etc etc but they will be comparable in terms of what I do believe is a legitimate concern of people on this forum--that an upper middle class kid can be in a cohort of kids getting a decent education that prepares them for college and life.

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

Your numbers are wrong.

For Hardy, 5s are 35% and 11%. So, correcting...
If 90 went to MA
ELA 35% = 32 kids
Math 11% = 10 kids

-- You are assuming all Deal 9th graders go to J-R? Wut?

-- You fail to count the non-Hardy high-scoring students going to Macarthur that are not from Hardy. Surely there are a few.

-- Future 9th graders at Macarthur don't need to 'make a dent' in the full 600 students at the school. The makeup of the current Sr and Jr classes is pretty irrelevant to them. What matters for them is the 200 students in their grade, with some impact from the grade ahead and behind.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

You obviously are full of BS and don’t know the data. I in contrast have looked at the data. Data doesn’t lie.

High performing kids above grade level.

Hardy 180 8th graders. If 90 went to MA
ELA 22% = 20 kids
Math 5% = 5 kids

Number above won’t make a dent in a school with over 600 kids or however many currently.

Deal 480 8th graders
ELA 41% = 197 kids
Math 19% = 91 kids

It has always been Deal that had significantly higher numbers and percentages of high performers and contributed the bulk of these cohort of kids to JR, not Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

You’re just wrong. Over half of Hardy students chose MacArthur this year. I’m sorry that your doomsday predictions won’t come true. Perhaps you will need to find a new hobby

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Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

Nope, not just numbers but also percentages. Deal much higher esp in math.

Even if 1/2 Hardy kids go to MA, most will not be high performers and small numbers that it won’t make a dent in the stats.

Anonymous wrote:It is mostly a numbers issue. Deal is a lot larger than Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparable to Walls or Banneker? It’s just going to be smaller Jackson-Reed. How could that not be the case?

Precisely because it is smaller. It is pulling from a very similar student pool with the advantage of the better student:teacher ratio to ensure student success. Also the school is attracting better talent for teachers than JR which is also a factor

Above is not correct. It is not a similar student pool at Deal and Hardy. Deal is the school contributing the overwhelming majority of high performers to JR in the past, not Hardy.

It might be similar SES in both Deal and Hardy boundaries but it is not similar cohorts.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparable to Walls or Banneker? It’s just going to be smaller Jackson-Reed. How could that not be the case?

Precisely because it is smaller. It is pulling from a very similar student pool with the advantage of the better student:teacher ratio to ensure student success. Also the school is attracting better talent for teachers than JR which is also a factor

Comically outdated information.
Above is not correct. It is not a similar student pool at Deal and Hardy. Deal is the school contributing the overwhelming majority of high performers to JR in the past, not Hardy.

It might be similar SES in both Deal and Hardy boundaries but it is not similar cohorts.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparable to Walls or Banneker? It’s just going to be smaller Jackson-Reed. How could that not be the case?

Precisely because it is smaller. It is pulling from a very similar student pool with the advantage of the better student:teacher ratio to ensure student success. Also the school is attracting better talent for teachers than JR which is also a factor