Or maybe we can just let the kids FAFO. If they are earning less than a 20%, it's not like they are showing up now. We shouldn't make-up a new system to let them make it up in an easier way like Edmentum.

ALL 14-year-olds can understand that if they don't show up or complete work, then they won't pass. I would feel differently for students who show up and complete the work, but it is not passing work. Those kids should receive remedial instruction and help. But not showing up or completing work? Nope! They don't need a special class for that! They chose not to show up, now they will have to give up their summer. In addition, there needs to be consequences for the parents if a child doesn't show up a certain amount of days.

If they don't attend summer school, then they don't graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

Seems like there needs to be a new 'system' for credit recovery, at least at schools where there are a lot of kids in this boat. Such as selecting a few of the courses with a lot of Q1 failures (probably math and english) and starting the kids back at the beginning of Q1-- i.e., redoing the full Q1 course concurrently with the Q2 course. (Could be a double-period class that teaches both Q1 and Q2 content or just an add-on Q1 course). Though the devil is in the details-- impossible in terms of teaching loads this year. Though in the future they could anticipate such a thing and arrange teaching schedules in a way that could have someone move into teaching this course at the beginning of Q2.

Or — here’s a crazy idea — kids could be put into different class levels based on ability and interest at the start of the semester.

Stop making so much sense! This is he MCPS forum, after all.

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Anonymous wrote:As a HS teacher the only thing i am concerned with and have not recieved guidance on is how we handle the kids who mathematically cannot pass. There are apparently as many as 500 kids in our school in that situation. How do you manage and control that many lids who have no real reason to follow the program for 9 weeks?

Do you mean that some kids have so few points from q1, there is no way they can pass the semester?

Yes they have below a 20% meaning they would need over 100% in MP2 to earn a 60% average and pass

There is a grading calculator kids can use to determine their semester grade with hypothetical q2 grades . Teachers are sharing at our HS. Yes some would need over 100% in q2 to pass. I heard they are now allowing for credit recovery because of this.

Here's a thought- take a page from private schools. All higher level classes (honors and AP level) require students to earn an A in the previous level course. That way, there wouldn't be as many struggling students.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

Seems like there needs to be a new 'system' for credit recovery, at least at schools where there are a lot of kids in this boat. Such as selecting a few of the courses with a lot of Q1 failures (probably math and english) and starting the kids back at the beginning of Q1-- i.e., redoing the full Q1 course concurrently with the Q2 course. (Could be a double-period class that teaches both Q1 and Q2 content or just an add-on Q1 course). Though the devil is in the details-- impossible in terms of teaching loads this year. Though in the future they could anticipate such a thing and arrange teaching schedules in a way that could have someone move into teaching this course at the beginning of Q2.

+1. Start over at the beginning and let them know they will already likely be enrolled for summer school unless they can give-up an elective so they can catch up and keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

Students may have a poor work ethic, but to the best of my knowledge MCPS has never provided direct instruction on study/executive functioning skills.

Exactly. Some kids need to be explicitly taught study skills. IN fact all kids should be explicitly taught study skills and executive functioning skills and given ample opportunity to practice them throughout middle school. They should be taught different study and note taking methods both hand and digital. It should be a required class in 6th grade.

Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

I heard the same thing at my high school. I wonder if we are at the same school

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

Seems like there needs to be a new 'system' for credit recovery, at least at schools where there are a lot of kids in this boat. Such as selecting a few of the courses with a lot of Q1 failures (probably math and english) and starting the kids back at the beginning of Q1-- i.e., redoing the full Q1 course concurrently with the Q2 course. (Could be a double-period class that teaches both Q1 and Q2 content or just an add-on Q1 course). Though the devil is in the details-- impossible in terms of teaching loads this year. Though in the future they could anticipate such a thing and arrange teaching schedules in a way that could have someone move into teaching this course at the beginning of Q2.

Or — here’s a crazy idea — kids could be put into different class levels based on ability and interest at the start of the semester.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

They weren't showing up first quarter either.

Those kids need to be in specialized programs or job training.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

I cannot believe that there are kids who don't care about passing classes but do care about getting a diploma.

The seniors who are failing I would agree with you. However there are 100s of freshmen who are failing because they are culture shocked by the idea that they can't just get passed along anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the whole thread, but shouldn’t quarter grades be numeric not letter grades under the new policy?

They are both. We will find out in like 2 weeks if the report cards will display both the letter and the percentage

That hasn’t been communicated already?

If it has, I haven't paid attention to it

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

I cannot believe that there are kids who don't care about passing classes but do care about getting a diploma.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the whole thread, but shouldn’t quarter grades be numeric not letter grades under the new policy?

They are both. We will find out in like 2 weeks if the report cards will display both the letter and the percentage

That hasn’t been communicated already?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.

Seems like there needs to be a new 'system' for credit recovery, at least at schools where there are a lot of kids in this boat. Such as selecting a few of the courses with a lot of Q1 failures (probably math and english) and starting the kids back at the beginning of Q1-- i.e., redoing the full Q1 course concurrently with the Q2 course. (Could be a double-period class that teaches both Q1 and Q2 content or just an add-on Q1 course). Though the devil is in the details-- impossible in terms of teaching loads this year. Though in the future they could anticipate such a thing and arrange teaching schedules in a way that could have someone move into teaching this course at the beginning of Q2.

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Anonymous wrote:My high school currently has 1,000 E grades with 50% or lower.

We are hoping this is a wake up call / FAFO moment for the students. We’ll see. So many students just put the bare minimum in and it has been a lifelong habit enabled by MCPS and parents.

My HS is probably in that same boat. Last I heard like 500-600 were below a 20% which means they might as well not show up until 2nd semester.

This is where I wish schools would be proactive and put students in credit recovery for second quarter. Kids below 20% typically failed previously because the issue is most likely attendance. Yet the teacher was expects to jump through hoops to try to get them to pass because “there was a chance”. Maybe now there could be acknowledgment to kids and parents sooner that the student needs to get it together and redo that quarter.

In defense of our school, the Asst. Principal sent letters and emails to every student that was in that scenario at Interims time and informed them of the consequences. It wasn't like we waited until report cards were due to tell kids they had 0 chance at passing.

Credit recovery would be nice but the way it's set up, I fear kids would fail on purpose just to do the credit recovery during quarter 2 because it's typically a much easier and less involved process.