Howard Nutlick went there and is a big donor. Although he is Jewish MAGA, he supports radical left economic policies like tariffs that are calculated based on made-up numbers.

Anonymous wrote:DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

I took my DS to Swarthmore, Haverford, and a few other LACs this summer. He skews slightly conservative and didn't like Haverford nearly as much as Swarthmore. There was a somewhat lefty vibe (the emphasis on 'student agency' got old even for me) but generally it felt drab, a bit rundown, and unfun. Swarthmore has the intense reputation and maybe a funny tour guide helped but my kid came away *loving* Swat. I wish it were the reverse because it's a crazy tough admit. He also really liked Wesleyan too despite the fact that DCUM always describes it as woke; our tour came off as a sort of chill but very preppy CT.

2 other things: both Haverford and Swarthmore talked up the Quaker consortium. There's a ton of Bryn Mawr/Haverford cross-registration, they're very close and share professors and departments. But Swarthmore is a 30 minute commute in traffic and Penn is a train ride (with a 15 minute walk to SEPTA from Haverford.) It's nice to have but I wouldn't see it as a meaningful perk except for Haverford and Bryn Mawr.

Also re: the other PP who worried about the gender split at Haverford due to the BM students. I agree although not for the same reason as the PP. (No chance of my sons becoming players!) It's just that college is where you hopefully meet lifelong friends and it's important to have male and female friends. My older kid is at another SLAC with a 50/50 split and has a great diverse group of friends. Maybe the same would be true at Vassar or the many, many other schools where women vastly outnumber men...but why wouldn't you want to be part of a more balanced community?

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Anonymous wrote:DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

Pronouns, trans people and a variety of gender identities are the norm in many places, especially on the coasts and larger cities around the country.

For my DS, it isn’t anything he considers noteworthy. It will be limiting for your DD if she is uncomfortable with this. People don’t closet themselves much anymore.

Just noting that Quakers make decisions by consensus. It’s a religious principle and a faith practice, not a “groupthink” exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Richmond, Denison may offer an LAC experience that’s friendlier for more conservative students

Of these, only Davidson is an academic peer of Haverford.

W&L is superior; Hillsdale is a peer.

W&L superior to Davidson? Nope!

No, Bmeant that W&L and Davidson are superior to Haverford, and Hillsdale is a peer.

Anonymous wrote:DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

Pronouns, trans people and a variety of gender identities are the norm in many places, especially on the coasts and larger cities around the country.

For my DS, it isn’t anything he considers noteworthy. It will be limiting for your DD if she is uncomfortable with this. People don’t closet themselves much anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

Your DD sounds really weird and judgemental. Swarthmore is just as “woke” as haverford. Just cause a student athlete isn’t her guide for the day, doesn’t mean that everyone is a crazy liberal or whatever. Swarthmore is pretty explicitly damn weird

To your point, these posts bashing schools often end up making the schools more appealing to me, because I know people like that will not go there.

Anonymous wrote:DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

Your DD sounds really weird and judgemental. Swarthmore is just as “woke” as haverford. Just cause a student athlete isn’t her guide for the day, doesn’t mean that everyone is a crazy liberal or whatever. Swarthmore is pretty explicitly damn weird

Anonymous wrote:MAGA will not feel comfortable at any decent university. The point of college is to learn critical thinking skills and analysis. MAGA is all about obedience towards Trump and group think and worshipping at the altar of Murdoch media.

Note that I think that most colleges had gone too far to the left and DEI was overdone and some views were silenced. But the over-reaction to that has been truly awful. And one can spot a MAGA person a mile away by their constant regurgitation of MAGA talking points and that their sole purpose seems to be to be nasty towards the other side and use derogatory phrases like "the radicalized left." Grow up.

"The radicalized left" as opposed to "Nazis?"

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Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Richmond, Denison may offer an LAC experience that’s friendlier for more conservative students

Of these, only Davidson is an academic peer of Haverford.

W&L is superior; Hillsdale is a peer.

W&L superior to Davidson? Nope!

MAGA will not feel comfortable at any decent university. The point of college is to learn critical thinking skills and analysis. MAGA is all about obedience towards Trump and group think and worshipping at the altar of Murdoch media.

Note that I think that most colleges had gone too far to the left and DEI was overdone and some views were silenced. But the over-reaction to that has been truly awful. And one can spot a MAGA person a mile away by their constant regurgitation of MAGA talking points and that their sole purpose seems to be to be nasty towards the other side and use derogatory phrases like "the radicalized left." Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Richmond, Denison may offer an LAC experience that’s friendlier for more conservative students

Of these, only Davidson is an academic peer of Haverford.

Sorry, none of these LACs are academic peers of Haverford. (They may have other things in common, however...)

Disagree. Davidson is a better school, but it could be considered an academic peer. It is certainly more welcoming to a wider range of political viewpoints.

Haverford is an intellectual place.

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Anonymous wrote:Davidson, Richmond, Denison may offer an LAC experience that’s friendlier for more conservative students

Of these, only Davidson is an academic peer of Haverford.

Sorry, none of these LACs are academic peers of Haverford. (They may have other things in common, however...)

DD and I toured Haverford and Swarthmore recently back to back. She is somewhat conservative but not overly so. She loved Swarthmore but found Haverford too "woke." I try to caution her by saying that we should not base our judgement based just on a 90 min visit. Some things that she mentioned: Assistant Director of Admissions who gave us an info talk was dressed somewhat unconventionally (bandana in her hair and tanktop showing multiple tattoos on her arm), same person encouraged tour students to introduce themselves with pronouns "if they are comfortable," about a third of the tour participants looked trans or gender neutral, student guide emphasized that 60-70 percent of dorm rooms are singles with no roommates, and also emphasized the "student compact" assemblies which sounded like a groupthink exercise. The campus was gorgeous but based on the visit, she is not so excited to apply to Haverford anymore. She found the Swarthmore tour much more "normal" and very much liked what she saw/heard there.

People used to care about things that actually matter like education or outcomes. What a useless thread.