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jsteele wrote:Hamas has repeatedly accepted U.S. ceasefire and prisoner exchange proposals. This is Netanyahu's way of refusing. He wants war.

Hamas is not to be believed. But, Israel shouldn’t be bombing Qatar.

They should send assassins.

It's 2025. Assassins WFH. Send in the drones.

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Did you write this from a house in the West Bank that you stole from a Palestinian? Get your occupiers out of Palestine territory before you talk about "neighbors", invader.

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Netanyahu is not fighting for results. He’s fighting for extension and expansion of the war to other regions. He is fighting to hold on to power and avoid jail for himself. He is a saboteur in cahoots with Hamas.

Why else would he wait eight weeks before entering Gaza? Does anyone wait eight weeks to complete a search when someone goes missing?

Netanyahu will not go down in history well. Many Israeli officials have already publically turned on him and have realized he is the Hamas supporter he talks about. Among other things, he compromised his own security by aligning with right wing radicals like Ben Gvir who publically said Netanyahu should be eliminated by any means if he makes a deal or stops the war. Even if he wanted to stop it (which he doesn’t), he can’t. The same radicals he jostled against Prime Minister Rabin can easily turn on him and kill him and he knows that. He’s weaved a web he can’t untangle and the sad part is Israeli people knew he would lead to dangerous outcomes with this new right wing coalition. That’s what the protests were largely about. The secular vs extremist divide was so bad during the protests some people thought Israel would fall to civil war. 10/7 completely changed that and United the country shifting even the biggest hippie to a right wing Likudnik. This benefits Bibi but at what cost? He takes big gambles with politics and often he wins but nobody wins forever

Anonymous wrote:This is just insane.

EVIL

Oops, you dropped your mask?

So you were pro-Hamas-leadership and the murder of innocent tourists, after all?

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

Can’t argue that Israel does want to go scorched earth. There is a reason for that. Hamas only understands force. Anything less than that is considered weakness in Hamas’s eyes. Israel wanting peace with its neighbors is considered weakness. If Hamas brutality is met with nothing more but a slap on the wrist, then Hamas brutality will continue he. It’s unfortunate that Hamas turned virtually every building in Gaza into terror infrastructure, but Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it spent billions of international (including U.S. dollars) money to build its terror, tunnels underneath schools, mosques , hospitals, churches, UN buildings. They knew exactly what they were doing.

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Neither Israel or Hamas are a monolith. Among the Israeli chain of command , there are also divisions between mossad and Netanyahu and the same tensions exist within Hamas. This is what makes dealmaking ever more complicated. Neither Netanyahu nor Hamas care about their people dying despite what they say. Netanyahu recently blocked Israelis from leaving the country. For a moment, it seemed like they got a taste of their own medicine and were a Gaza in miniature when Iran displaced them and bombed tel Aviv and other cities. I don’t know what Netanyahus end game is here. Israel’s summer economy was destroyed thanks to his iranian war. The will of the majority of the people on both sides (Israel and Palestinians) are not for war. Everyone wants to be safe in their own homes with their families but the Israeli leadership wants to go scorched earth even if they get burned in the process (and have)

jsteele wrote:Hamas has repeatedly accepted U.S. ceasefire and prisoner exchange proposals. This is Netanyahu's way of refusing. He wants war.

Hamas is not to be believed. But, Israel shouldn’t be bombing Qatar.

They should send assassins.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with killing the rich elite is this ruins any chances of Israel getting the hostages. They were the only ones in communication with Hamas in Gaza and able to determine where hostages were and what are the conditions of release. By bombing Doha, this is setting back the possibility of a return of the remaining Israeli hostages. Why would Netanyahu do that? Unless he doesn’t want a deal. If the rest of the hostages are returned , he knows most Israelis will demand the war is ended and he doesn’t want that

Hamas is weak. If Hamas had killed 1/2 the hostages the first time Israel killed the negotiators the Israelis would have taken any deal.

If they actually did something that shocking like beheading Israeli kids or women hostages, they would’ve been feeding into the narrative Israel was already putting about them beheading 40 babies and hanging kids on clothes lines.

I don’t think Hamas is weak but somethings very off about 10/7. If they could do an operation like that, every day they could and Israel wouldn’t be safe at all. It’s obvious an inside job at the very least is a part of it. The gates were left open, IDF were told to stand down, several Israeli soldiers said it was logistically impossible for a caravan of trucks to go inside Israel without it being an inside job. That electric fence rings if a pigeon from Gaza lands on the gate let alone a barrage of cranes and men. The obvious answer is Netanyahu wanted it to happen to scare his country away from demonstrating against his removal. The largest anti Netanyahu demonstration was planned for the following week Sat 10/14: it was cancelled due to the war.

In addition, Sinwar was rumored to have sent a letter to Netanyahu upon release from jail and the letter stated Calculated risk? Why would a prisoner send a letter to a PM? He was released from Israeli jail to be the Hamas mole that could be why and when they were finished with him, Israel killed him

Anonymous wrote:This is just insane.

EVIL

Evil? It’s fantastic. Hamas needs to be ended and the hostages released.

Anonymous wrote:The problem with killing the rich elite is this ruins any chances of Israel getting the hostages. They were the only ones in communication with Hamas in Gaza and able to determine where hostages were and what are the conditions of release. By bombing Doha, this is setting back the possibility of a return of the remaining Israeli hostages. Why would Netanyahu do that? Unless he doesn’t want a deal. If the rest of the hostages are returned , he knows most Israelis will demand the war is ended and he doesn’t want that

It's pretty obvious that Netanyahu needs the hostages to stay right in Gaza and not have any type of negotiation in order to execute the final solution. Anyone with even the tiniest ability to think critically knows this has never been about the hostages but about conquering Gaza and ultimately reducing and expelling the native population to create a Jewish ethnostate.

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Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

I really do not what Israel propaganda says any more. They have been fighting for almost two year with no results. It is time to look at Israel and only Israel.

Anonymous wrote:The problem with killing the rich elite is this ruins any chances of Israel getting the hostages. They were the only ones in communication with Hamas in Gaza and able to determine where hostages were and what are the conditions of release. By bombing Doha, this is setting back the possibility of a return of the remaining Israeli hostages. Why would Netanyahu do that? Unless he doesn’t want a deal. If the rest of the hostages are returned , he knows most Israelis will demand the war is ended and he doesn’t want that

Hamas is weak. If Hamas had killed 1/2 the hostages the first time Israel killed the negotiators the Israelis would have taken any deal.

The problem with killing the rich elite is this ruins any chances of Israel getting the hostages. They were the only ones in communication with Hamas in Gaza and able to determine where hostages were and what are the conditions of release. By bombing Doha, this is setting back the possibility of a return of the remaining Israeli hostages. Why would Netanyahu do that? Unless he doesn’t want a deal. If the rest of the hostages are returned , he knows most Israelis will demand the war is ended and he doesn’t want that

Anonymous wrote:So Hamas leaders were there? Interdasting.

There are 2 Hamas- one in Gaza and one in Qatar. The Hamas in Gaza are the fighter wing/the poors. The Hamas in Qatar are the bourgeoise/diplomatic face of Hamas.

They tend to be rich, educated, secular, tend to lean a little pro Israel, have kids in western universities in Qatar or overseas, speak English fluently and often another language like Russian or Turkish. They are the diplomatic “face”.

They also are not popular in Gaza even among the poor Hamas fighters or Among the average everyday people.


According to Qatari Hamas, they had no prior knowledge of 10/7. Israel believed it because they have their phones taped and found no conspiring. It appears Sinwar completed 10/7 alone and seemingly as a coup against Hamas in Qatar.

Sinwar had some authenticity among the fighters because he actually lived in Gaza unlike the ritz Carlton dwelling Hamas elite

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jsteele wrote:Hamas has repeatedly accepted U.S. ceasefire and prisoner exchange proposals. This is Netanyahu's way of refusing. He wants war.

Qatar condemned Israel's bombing of Syria, then an hour later Israel bombs Qatar.

https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/09/09/2025/qatar-strongly-condemns-israeli-occupations-bombing-of-several-sites-in-syria

This will bring Qatar and Israel closer together. This is just the Israelis agreeing to establish diplomatic and trade relationship with Qatar. The population of Qatar will rise up and overthrow Hamas. Qatar was building nuclear weapons. Qatar is antisemitic. Qatar was falling under Turkey’s influence. High level Hamas and or weapon stockpiles were taken out by Israel. All were hiding in elementary schools, power plants and hospitals. Israel demands more bombs and arms from the US. US Congress demand Trump attack Qatar and thank the Israelis for attacking this rogue country.

Next up Saudi and Turkey!

I wonder what kind of mental illness Zionists suffer from. You want to engage the entire region at war from Turkey to Iran to Tunisia during a time the United States is weary of both war and that region? Lol. Good luck kid.

You should note that historically every Israeli state started to crumble around the eighty year mark due to wars. Netanyahu is repeating history

Please just be careful with the rhetoric. Many American Jews including me, are horrified by what Netanyahu is doing. He is a madman.

Then make it clear you are disassociating yourself from Israel. Show us by your deeds how much you object to those actions. Quit contributing to Israel, its causes, AIPAC, ADL, etc. Let those who support Netanyahu stay and become a pariah state. They can fight Iran and North Korea for the worst.

Look, I am anti_Zionism, but your post here borders on Semitic. American Jews do not have de facto loyalty to Israeli government, and do not de facto do all the things you say they need to stop. Such gross stereotyping. They don't need to prove anything to you.

DP that is a convenient argument. Though the same argument does not seem to work for the Palestinians.

I also don't think American Palestinians need to go around proving they are anti-hamas either. It's not good for Palestinians to be anti-semitic or for Jews to be islamophobes, but you ARE demanding a purity test for American Jews here. That is gross. It is this kind of phrasing and stereotyping that mistakenly in part (or not, in some cases) leads people to believe that the anti_zionist movement is inherently anti-semitic.