Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 08:18     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hamas has tried to surrender but Israel has made clear they will be destroyed anyway. So if the choices are destruction upon surrender or destruction you may as well keep fighting.

For those who think the blame lies entirely with Hamas, take a closer look to the terms Israel has offered Hamas. They don’t want Hamas to surrender, they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and push the Palestinians out and claim the land. Thats genocide and a war crime.


What are the terms you deem so terrible? Hamas has repeatedly rejected any agreement, no matter how favorable. So I’m very interested in your view of what terms are so awful that it confirms for you that Israel doesn’t want surrender?


Untrue that Hamas has rejected any agreement. Israel has only agreed to a “temporary” cease fires. They are the ones continuing to reject permanent peace.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 08:09     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:If this is a genocide, Israel sucks at it. More than 30 months in and the Palestinians keep birthing babies and carrying on. You’d think they’d be more efficient.

With your mindset, Hitler was also terribly inefficient and sucked at genocide, because the Jewish people kept having babies. Lots and lots of them in fact.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 08:07     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

Do you think if the French Resistance or the Jewish Resistance for that matter had just given up the horrors of WW2 would have ceased. If it as simple as that, ask yourself why is the IDF protecting and oftentimes assisting the attacks and murdering of Palestinian people in the West Bank where there is no Hamas. In the West Bank the Palestinian people have surrendered and yet they are still being displaced, beaten, and murdered daily. This is not about Hamas, but about Israel’s desire and determination to eradicate an entire people, like the USA did to Native Americans in the 17-18 century.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:54     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.


It took bombs dropped on Japan for them to surrender. Germany fought to the bitter end even though it meant destroying their country.

Right now Israel are the aggressors who are systematically eliminating Palestinian citizens, children, women, the elderly with their bombs, guns, and denying them food and medicine causing the kind of suffering that everyone should fear. If they surrender tomorrow Israel will continue stealth elimination of Palestinians so that there won’t be enough Palestinians to sustain a country. That’s the goal of Israel and the extremist crowds are dreaming of the day when the last Palestinian has been shot to death.


The fanaticism of the Japanese, exemplified in their typical refusal to surrender even in the face of certain defeat, changed only when atomic bombs made it crystal clear that endless civilians would die if the military kept fighting. Unlike Hamas, the Japanese bowed to the inevitable in order to preserve remaining civilian lives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25772192

The Japanese mindset then is still difficult to comprehend; the Hamas mindset is utterly depraved and even more incomprehensible to civilized people.

This is apples to oranges. Do you really think that Hamas can surrender and Israel is just going to let the Palestinians stay?
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:51     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:Israel’s plan is to annex Gaza and expel the Palestinian people. That’s why.

+100

This is obvious.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:41     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Israel’s plan is to annex Gaza and expel the Palestinian people. That’s why.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:36     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:Hamas has tried to surrender but Israel has made clear they will be destroyed anyway. So if the choices are destruction upon surrender or destruction you may as well keep fighting.

For those who think the blame lies entirely with Hamas, take a closer look to the terms Israel has offered Hamas. They don’t want Hamas to surrender, they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and push the Palestinians out and claim the land. Thats genocide and a war crime.


After WWII, the US effectively governed Japan and Germany. It is true, however, that they did not push the people out. They did bring at least the Germany Nazi's to trial for crimes.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:31     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:Hamas has tried to surrender but Israel has made clear they will be destroyed anyway. So if the choices are destruction upon surrender or destruction you may as well keep fighting.

For those who think the blame lies entirely with Hamas, take a closer look to the terms Israel has offered Hamas. They don’t want Hamas to surrender, they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and push the Palestinians out and claim the land. Thats genocide and a war crime.


What are the terms you deem so terrible? Hamas has repeatedly rejected any agreement, no matter how favorable. So I’m very interested in your view of what terms are so awful that it confirms for you that Israel doesn’t want surrender?
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 07:24     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Hamas has tried to surrender but Israel has made clear they will be destroyed anyway. So if the choices are destruction upon surrender or destruction you may as well keep fighting.

For those who think the blame lies entirely with Hamas, take a closer look to the terms Israel has offered Hamas. They don’t want Hamas to surrender, they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and push the Palestinians out and claim the land. Thats genocide and a war crime.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2025 00:49     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't Israel remove their settlers?


Uh, they are not in Gaza. And every single poster not agreeing Hamas could just end this is truly delusional.

So long as the settlers continue there will always be Hamas.
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2025 23:41     Subject: Re:why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2025 23:30     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.


They don’t need to. They have the millions of dupes believing Israel is the oppressor and that Hamas are poor whittle victims.

People are so stupid.

And I’ve lost faith and hope in humanity.
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2025 22:31     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Victim blaming

Why didn't the woman being raped just have consensual sex?
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2025 22:05     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Who will be in charge of Gaza if they do surrender? Israel? Or will Hamas just surrender, give the hostages back and it will be business as usual?

I was initially on Israel’s side with this because I was so horrified by 10/7. But this is just so sad and terrible. I feel helpless watching the news because there seems to be nothing we can do.
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2025 21:33     Subject: why doesn't hamas surrender?
Anonymous wrote:For someone to surrender, they need to care about something - suffering of their people or even just their own lives. Terrorists don’t care about anything or anyone, and so they will never surrender.


No you need the other side to accept the surrender. Just like the Nazis did not accept surrender its descendant(Israel) does the same thing. Father like son.