Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 13:09     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article

Similar to the "do not call" list there should be a national registry of individuals who do not wish to be organ donors. Especially so with the NYT article.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 13:02     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The article is INSANE-completely unacceptable level of error, by an order of magnitude. The level of incompetence and f-kry is going to set back donation by a generation.
-a physician


Please donate life. Be an organ donor.


Not when the federal government is applying pressure to these harvesting organizations to increase their numbers of organs donated. Anyone with two brain cells sees that this is a problem. The government is threatening to end contracts to these companies if they don't meet a quota of organs. These companies will be much less likely to behave reasonably.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 12:59     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is insane and truly terrifying - "H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year."

Thanks to PP for the gift article.

So sad because organ donation is so important and can save so many lives.


This is why the “data driven” thing can really go wrong.


This may be the most important bit of info in the article. This is insane and we know what the outcome will be from this pressure from the government towards these companies. This is reason enough to consider taking your name off a list.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 12:56     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:I opted out in Virginia, but wrote an email to my DH (so that he can refer to it if questioning himself) saying that I support donation and support him in making the call even if I am having reflexive movements. I just want the decision to come from family.


How do you opt out in Virginia? To clarify, do you actually have to go to the DMV in person as a few others here have mentioned?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 12:53     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.


What bull shite. They did not publish this to scare people. They published this article to inform people and the information is valid and important. Yes, it will cause a decrease in donations but until there is oversight of the organizations that harvest the organs and the hospital's procedures we are foolhardy to trust.

In the current climate with this petty narcissist in control who only wants oversight in to who has hurt his feelings, it is unlikely that reasonable regulation will happen any time soon.

Stop trying to tell us there is nothing to see when there is absolutely lots we need to see.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 12:49     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


Except the article makes clear that hospitals/organ harvesting companies tried to ignore what families want.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 11:47     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


I actually am still fine with potentially being a donor in the case of circulatory death, but it is underlining how important it is to have a bulldog who knows my wishes as my HCPOA.


No use to you if your bulldog isn’t able to be there though.


Being there is among the qualities of a bulldog.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 09:29     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

I just removed my name from the organ donor list. The lapse in medical ethics is appalling. Why isn't there an extra layer of oversight? They damaged organ transplant donor isises themselves.

Why does this also reek as if there is some kind of financial incentives involved? Why are transplant coordinators so aggressive now and pressuring families/docs/hospitals? Do they get bonuses for the number of organs they collect or something?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 08:22     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


I actually am still fine with potentially being a donor in the case of circulatory death, but it is underlining how important it is to have a bulldog who knows my wishes as my HCPOA.


No use to you if your bulldog isn’t able to be there though.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 00:57     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


I actually am still fine with potentially being a donor in the case of circulatory death, but it is underlining how important it is to have a bulldog who knows my wishes as my HCPOA.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2025 00:54     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

There are murders described in this article, and I hope some states will file charges accordingly.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 23:34     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article

This is the link to opt out in California.

https://register.donatelifecalifornia.org/remove/login
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 21:01     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article

I opted out in Virginia, but wrote an email to my DH (so that he can refer to it if questioning himself) saying that I support donation and support him in making the call even if I am having reflexive movements. I just want the decision to come from family.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 20:49     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article

We went to the Maryland registry (which is where are Maryland dmv opt in agreements are sent) and opted out. Would like to donate but at the discretion of family, not profit and metric driven nitwits.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 20:45     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The nurses have been discussing this for a while and some took themselves off the donor list because the organ donation orgs are pushing Donation after cardiac death instead of brain death.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/1ctill0/i_removed_myself_from_the_organ_donor_registry/


Here is one comment -
"Hey OP, I am a nurse working for an Organ Procurement Organization (OPO). I removed myself from the registry after seeing how aggressive OPOs have been with enforcing first person authorized (FPA) DCDs. The CMS has cracked down severely on OPOs to make their “numbers” every year and this year has been intense for all OPOs across the country because they are facing losing their independent status to operate within their service areas.
When you register yourself to be an organ donor and you end up in an unfortunate circumstance that puts you in an eligible position to donate then a few things can happen. 1) you still have brain stem reflexes and your family decides to transition you to comfort care/palliative extubation- this is where donation after cardiac death (DCD) comes in to play. The CMS backs the OPO to TELL family what the next steps are for donation, not ASK. 2) you progress to brain death and are declared clinically and legally deceased per local hospital policy- your family is informed of your registry and the process begins. In both cases, the families do not have to consent, agree, or feel comfortable with the process for it to begin. It is preferred they are on board, but not required. In some cases, hospitals will back the families in the case of them protesting a DCD’s registry and if the hospital chooses to extubate without allowing the OPO to finish the donation process, then the hospital can be heavily fined by the CMS.
The CMS does not recognize consenting to be a donor as informed consent. They consider it a “gift” from one person to another and don’t treat it like it is any other medical procedure being performed in hospitals. This, of course, makes healthcare staff uneasy and has caused countless issues with hospitals across the country. It’s a complex issue and I’m happy to speak on it further if anyone is curious. Ask away!
Also look up: The Uniform Anatomical Gift Act (UAGA) as others have mentioned. I use CMS as a blanket organization sometimes so please forgive me.
Edit: my family knows my wishes to be a donor under specific circumstances so I am not against donation. I’d prefer my family knows my wishes vs. a stranger telling them. Talk to your families people!"


This is absolutely horrifying.