Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 15:34     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is literally a rif template that OPM added on their website for agencies to request waivers due to unforeseen circumstances. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force-rif/#url=Resources-Tools-Templates
If the circumstances are truly unforeseen then it doesn't make sense that there is a template for unanticipated events. Someone please download these forms and send this to the MD state AG and judges before they pull it from the website. It seemslume string evidence that the RIFs are illegal.



They’re doing this at my agency now this week. Putting people on administrative leave for 10 days, then you’ll supposedly get a 30 day RIF notice that your entire competitive area is being eliminated.


What agency? Why do people post this cryptic stuff when you know we are all operating with zero information about our own jobs and checking here for information?


They’re doing it at FHFA and HUD.

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/03/housing-agencies-begin-closing-offices-escorting-employees-out/403903/


Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 15:18     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Still haven't heard anything about RIFs at my agency. When will they share the plans?


I wonder if they will. I think the RIFs will just happen and that is when you will learn about it.



+1 at my agency, our non-political leadership doesn’t know anything. the administration started that with the HR ping email, FORK, 5 bullets. I really don’t think anyone is going to learn anything in advance of it happening. It will happen and likely on a tight timeline. That is the play and they seem to be sticking with it.

Fine. I’ve adapted - I expect to be surprised but I guess that means I won’t be surprised. Or traumatized. Sorry not sorry Russ
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 15:10     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:Still haven't heard anything about RIFs at my agency. When will they share the plans?


I wonder if they will. I think the RIFs will just happen and that is when you will learn about it.

Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:37     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is unfair because the early retirement is reduced by a lot. And you still don't get severance if you decide not to take the reduced pension.


I have to be honest that I’m getting a bit tired of people complaining about this. I hesitate to say it because we shouldn’t all turn on each other, but your colleagues are getting fired with no retirement and no health insurance. Some of them have just a few months less seniority than you or are a bit younger than you. Yes, we know it sucks to get Les’s retirement. But getting FIRED was never designed to be pleasant.


Np I started at 22, so VERA eligible at 47. It’s about a decade before I’d even think about retirement and I still have 3 kids in elementary school.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:35     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:Not in any position yet, as nothing has been offered. I'm 57.8 with 27.5 years. What's the difference between taking VERA vs. later getting Riffed, for me?

Want to keep my job, and guardedly optimistic I will be allowed to, but just wondering about the above.


If you are eligible for a Vera, you are not eligible for severance.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:28     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:The world turned upside down today


Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 07:55     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
The world turned upside down today
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 07:52     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is literally a rif template that OPM added on their website for agencies to request waivers due to unforeseen circumstances. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force-rif/#url=Resources-Tools-Templates
If the circumstances are truly unforeseen then it doesn't make sense that there is a template for unanticipated events. Someone please download these forms and send this to the MD state AG and judges before they pull it from the website. It seemslume string evidence that the RIFs are illegal.



They’re doing this at my agency now this week. Putting people on administrative leave for 10 days, then you’ll supposedly get a 30 day RIF notice that your entire competitive area is being eliminated.


What agency? Why do people post this cryptic stuff when you know we are all operating with zero information about our own jobs and checking here for information?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 22:14     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:There is literally a rif template that OPM added on their website for agencies to request waivers due to unforeseen circumstances. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force-rif/#url=Resources-Tools-Templates
If the circumstances are truly unforeseen then it doesn't make sense that there is a template for unanticipated events. Someone please download these forms and send this to the MD state AG and judges before they pull it from the website. It seemslume string evidence that the RIFs are illegal.



They’re doing this at my agency now this week. Putting people on administrative leave for 10 days, then you’ll supposedly get a 30 day RIF notice that your entire competitive area is being eliminated.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 22:02     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:Still haven't heard anything about RIFs at my agency. When will they share the plans?


as soon as you stop flinching and relax for a day without thinking about it.

or as soon as my officemate moves his wife and kid back, after RTOing for a month.

you know, whenever it can inflict the maximum psychological damage. that help?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 21:51     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Still haven't heard anything about RIFs at my agency. When will they share the plans?
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2025 19:40     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is unfair because the early retirement is reduced by a lot. And you still don't get severance if you decide not to take the reduced pension.


I have to be honest that I’m getting a bit tired of people complaining about this. I hesitate to say it because we shouldn’t all turn on each other, but your colleagues are getting fired with no retirement and no health insurance. Some of them have just a few months less seniority than you or are a bit younger than you. Yes, we know it sucks to get Les’s retirement. But getting FIRED was never designed to be pleasant.


I know where you're coming from with this, I'm certainly much worse off getting RIFed at 40 than my colleagues who are retirement eligible, and my single term colleagues are the worst off of all. But it's also normal for people to worry about the specific ways it affects them.

Of course it’s normal. And they are allowed to be very very upset that this is happening to them. But the pp literally used the word “fair.” The people who are anticipating being forced to take early retirement who are saying it’s not fair that they get a lesser retirement should really read the room. It’s like being in an oncologist’s waiting room and screaming about your stage 1 cancer while there are people with stage 4 sitting beside you. Everyone is allowed to be mad about getting cancer but just read the room.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2025 19:34     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
There is literally a rif template that OPM added on their website for agencies to request waivers due to unforeseen circumstances. https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force-rif/#url=Resources-Tools-Templates
If the circumstances are truly unforeseen then it doesn't make sense that their is a template for unanticipated events. Someone please download these forms and send this to the MD state AG and judges before they pull it from the website. It seemslume string evidence that the RIFs are illegal.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2025 19:01     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is unfair because the early retirement is reduced by a lot. And you still don't get severance if you decide not to take the reduced pension.


I have to be honest that I’m getting a bit tired of people complaining about this. I hesitate to say it because we shouldn’t all turn on each other, but your colleagues are getting fired with no retirement and no health insurance. Some of them have just a few months less seniority than you or are a bit younger than you. Yes, we know it sucks to get Les’s retirement. But getting FIRED was never designed to be pleasant.


I know where you're coming from with this, I'm certainly much worse off getting RIFed at 40 than my colleagues who are retirement eligible, and my single term colleagues are the worst off of all. But it's also normal for people to worry about the specific ways it affects them.


Someone under 40 who hasn’t had a long career in government has a much higher chance of landing. A private industry job, people are in the 40-55 range are still too far to be able to bridge off savings and until the pension kicks in and Medicare is still a decade away. Getting fired at 45 and having to pay for family health insurance on the ACA, if that even exist still, and all your expenses of mortgage and college expenses, he is quite stark. We probably have enough savings if we liquidate retirement to Bridget until the pension kicks in for a decade, but I know that if I get laid off, there will be no professional career in my future hello Starbucks? Are they even hiring?


Man, when is anpple intelligence going to make Siri dictation better?
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2025 19:00     Subject: When do the RIFs start?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is unfair because the early retirement is reduced by a lot. And you still don't get severance if you decide not to take the reduced pension.


I have to be honest that I’m getting a bit tired of people complaining about this. I hesitate to say it because we shouldn’t all turn on each other, but your colleagues are getting fired with no retirement and no health insurance. Some of them have just a few months less seniority than you or are a bit younger than you. Yes, we know it sucks to get Les’s retirement. But getting FIRED was never designed to be pleasant.


I know where you're coming from with this, I'm certainly much worse off getting RIFed at 40 than my colleagues who are retirement eligible, and my single term colleagues are the worst off of all. But it's also normal for people to worry about the specific ways it affects them.


Someone under 40 who hasn’t had a long career in government has a much higher chance of landing. A private industry job, people are in the 40-55 range are still too far to be able to bridge off savings and until the pension kicks in and Medicare is still a decade away. Getting fired at 45 and having to pay for family health insurance on the ACA, if that even exist still, and all your expenses of mortgage and college expenses, he is quite stark. We probably have enough savings if we liquidate retirement to Bridget until the pension kicks in for a decade, but I know that if I get laid off, there will be no professional career in my future hello Starbucks? Are they even hiring?