Anonymous
09/27/2024 19:40
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
No, it's not.
If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.
If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.
If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.
It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.
NP. Naw. In this example, the preference is given to an individual that demonstrated the ability overcome external forces working against them. In this case negative opinions of their race was the reason for the external forces against them. It's not a racial preference. It's a preference for the demonstration of grit, determination, etc. shown
Anonymous
09/27/2024 16:48
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
No, it's not.
If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.
If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.
If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.
It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 16:44
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Its all a bunch of Matt yglesias and alejandro mayorkas ie ashkenazis with a tinge of latino
Anonymous
09/27/2024 16:35
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
No, it's not.
If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.
If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.
If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.
How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.
Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….
Anonymous
09/27/2024 16:23
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
No, it's not.
If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.
If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.
If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.
How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 13:53
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
No, it's not.
If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.
If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.
If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 13:48
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
DP. There will not be written records that show preferences.
I don't think you need an admissions of guilt to be found guilty of racism.
Statistical analysis played a pretty central role in the SFFA cases.
I suspect it will play a similarly central role in the upcoming cases.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:50
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:20
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
DP. There will not be written records that show preferences.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:18
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Great Native American numbers!
🐧
Includes indigenous— see Hispanic category above
Native American=indigenous
Indigenous means inhabiting or existing in a land from before the arrival of colonists.
So, by definition, it excludes Hispanics, and can only include Native Americans.
To clarify, most Latinos are Mestizo, which is part white and part indigenous. However, generally most choose white when faced with a question asking US federal race and ethnicity categories. Checking the Native American box in Common App leads to a pop up asking for a federal tribe number, which they do not have.
Anonymous
09/27/2024 09:12
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Just read section 6 of the opinion.
Racial preferences are illegal.
You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.
Anonymous
09/26/2024 21:39
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.
Anonymous
09/26/2024 19:18
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Great Native American numbers!
🐧
Includes indigenous— see Hispanic category above
Native American=indigenous
Indigenous means inhabiting or existing in a land from before the arrival of colonists.
So, by definition, it excludes Hispanics, and can only include Native Americans.
This is completely and utterly false. There are millions of “Hispanics” who are 100% indigenous/native to the Americas. Meaning they are not mixed with Spanish/european. I’ve know Hispanics who don’t even speak Spanish because they only speak their native indigenous language.
Anonymous
09/26/2024 18:42
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Great Native American numbers!
🐧
Includes indigenous— see Hispanic category above
Native American=indigenous
Indigenous means inhabiting or existing in a land from before the arrival of colonists.
So, by definition, it excludes Hispanics, and can only include Native Americans.
Anonymous
09/26/2024 18:32
Subject: Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.
Which seems .. lazy?
Yes but it works
Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.
Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.
The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.
In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."
They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.
pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.
Yeah, I mean if Dartmouth is picking Hispanic Recognition Scholars over non-URM “commended scholars” with the same scores, they are screwed. Can’t believe Dartmouth lawyers would be so stupid, but hubris is hubris.
Seems unlikely to be that obvious. There aren't going to be written notes.