Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 23:51     Subject: Re:TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:Adding, my DC is average or below average in TJ. Probably in the third quartile? Not sure.
SAT math 800 English 720 - English below 748
GPA 4.2x. Not sure about the average but feels like below average a bit


That is certainly not below average but will likely be outside the top quartile. Are they a senior? If so, what were the college outcomes and what do they want to study?
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 23:17     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.


My bet would be that the acceptance rate from TJ to UVA is significantly higher than the in-state average, the yield rate is lower than the in-state average, and the stats (standardized test) scores of the accepted and enrolled kids from TJ are considerably higher than the in-state average. I say this because the average Asian admitted to UVA has higher stats than other groups (and by a large margin over other minority groups), and TJ may well have the highest percentage of Asians of any public school in the state.

The 49 kids attending TJ is up from 37 the prior year which is a bit of a reversal of a long term trend of fewer TJ kids going to UVA (105 enrolled at UVA from the class of 2012).

VT had a high of 42 kids from TJ from the class of 2017, but the 7 from 2022 is probably an all-time low. The percentage of VT's class coming from TJ is significantly lower than it is for W&M and UVA.


TJ standardized test score has always been higher than the county, state and national averages. Below link has the average score for class of 2021.

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/inline-files/2022-23%20TJHSST%20Profile_0.pdf


My point was that the scores for students accepted to and enrolled at UVA are likely higher than those of any other Virginia high school enrolling more than a certain number of students. That doesn't necessarily flow from TJ having the highest standardized test scores, which is clear from published data. It comes from TJ having a very high Asian population and data from FOIA requests showing Asians accepted to UVA have higher stats than other groups.

https://www.ceousa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Preferences20in20Virginia20Higher20Education20-20September202019.pdf

At TJ, the scores are high in general, Asian or not. Our non-Asian child was accepted to UVA last year with an SAT score of 1580.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 23:15     Subject: Re:TJ College Admissions Results
Adding, my DC is average or below average in TJ. Probably in the third quartile? Not sure.
SAT math 800 English 720 - English below 748
GPA 4.2x. Not sure about the average but feels like below average a bit
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 23:07     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:I have a kid that applied to TJ this year, and a senior non-TJ kid in a regular public HS so just curious. How is the college admissions from TJ looking so far, now that a lot of EA/ED decisions are out? Are TJ parents happy (so far) with how things turned out? We are not too keen but kid wanted to try taking the test.


My DC loves TJ and so far, we are happy with the admission results.
He applied to VT, UVA, UMD, Purdue, UIUC and Georgia tech. Got accepted by VT, Purdue and UMD. Deferred by UIUC and rejected by GT.
Had he stayed in base school, he probably would have a shot at CMU or Cornell. But we, the parents, don't have the money to send him there.
He loves VT. So we are satisfied with the results.

4-years of hardworking but overall it worth it.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 21:58     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
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Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.


My bet would be that the acceptance rate from TJ to UVA is significantly higher than the in-state average, the yield rate is lower than the in-state average, and the stats (standardized test) scores of the accepted and enrolled kids from TJ are considerably higher than the in-state average. I say this because the average Asian admitted to UVA has higher stats than other groups (and by a large margin over other minority groups), and TJ may well have the highest percentage of Asians of any public school in the state.

The 49 kids attending TJ is up from 37 the prior year which is a bit of a reversal of a long term trend of fewer TJ kids going to UVA (105 enrolled at UVA from the class of 2012).

VT had a high of 42 kids from TJ from the class of 2017, but the 7 from 2022 is probably an all-time low. The percentage of VT's class coming from TJ is significantly lower than it is for W&M and UVA.


TJ standardized test score has always been higher than the county, state and national averages. Below link has the average score for class of 2021.

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/inline-files/2022-23%20TJHSST%20Profile_0.pdf


My point was that the scores for students accepted to and enrolled at UVA are likely higher than those of any other Virginia high school enrolling more than a certain number of students. That doesn't necessarily flow from TJ having the highest standardized test scores, which is clear from published data. It comes from TJ having a very high Asian population and data from FOIA requests showing Asians accepted to UVA have higher stats than other groups.

https://www.ceousa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Preferences20in20Virginia20Higher20Education20-20September202019.pdf
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 21:20     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.


My bet would be that the acceptance rate from TJ to UVA is significantly higher than the in-state average, the yield rate is lower than the in-state average, and the stats (standardized test) scores of the accepted and enrolled kids from TJ are considerably higher than the in-state average. I say this because the average Asian admitted to UVA has higher stats than other groups (and by a large margin over other minority groups), and TJ may well have the highest percentage of Asians of any public school in the state.

The 49 kids attending TJ is up from 37 the prior year which is a bit of a reversal of a long term trend of fewer TJ kids going to UVA (105 enrolled at UVA from the class of 2012).

VT had a high of 42 kids from TJ from the class of 2017, but the 7 from 2022 is probably an all-time low. The percentage of VT's class coming from TJ is significantly lower than it is for W&M and UVA.


TJ standardized test score has always been higher than the county, state and national averages. Below link has the average score for class of 2021.

https://tjhsst.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/inline-files/2022-23%20TJHSST%20Profile_0.pdf
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 20:56     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.


My bet would be that the acceptance rate from TJ to UVA is significantly higher than the in-state average, the yield rate is lower than the in-state average, and the stats (standardized test) scores of the accepted and enrolled kids from TJ are considerably higher than the in-state average. I say this because the average Asian admitted to UVA has higher stats than other groups (and by a large margin over other minority groups), and TJ may well have the highest percentage of Asians of any public school in the state.

The 49 kids attending TJ is up from 37 the prior year which is a bit of a reversal of a long term trend of fewer TJ kids going to UVA (105 enrolled at UVA from the class of 2012).

VT had a high of 42 kids from TJ from the class of 2017, but the 7 from 2022 is probably an all-time low. The percentage of VT's class coming from TJ is significantly lower than it is for W&M and UVA.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 18:06     Subject: Re:TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:What are the out of states?



Quite a few TJs at Rice. They are often among the stars and do really well.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 16:16     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
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Anonymous wrote:TJ is relentlessly hard for 99% of the kids there. The college admission results seem great but Burnout is common. If I could do it over I would not let my DC attend. However, my DC would still choose TJ but would do things in a different way. Not sure what they mean exactly. The moral of the story is to talk to TJ students instead of parents. Their tips will help your kid tremendously. Good luck!


Comments like these are anecdotal since the posters' sample size is typically 1 or 2. Kids who are done with TJ are also biased in favor of TJ and don't have a point of reference to opine otherwise. Reality is this.. if your kid got into TJ on their own, without a lot of prep, etc. they deserve to be there. If they are intelligent AND hard working AND resilient, TJ is for them. If they are into sports or other such non-academic pursuits and will miss those in HS, TJ is likely not for them. If their grades are such that they will end up in the bottom 25-30% of TJ, TJ is not for them either. They will have a better life and outcomes at base.
Someone has to be in the bottom 25-30%, it’s called having a range of abilities.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 16:07     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.


The simple reality is that UVA and VT practice yield protection. A couple of years ago, my kid got into UVA but not VT while also getting into a slew of OOS schools (one of which he chose to attend). We know of several that did not get into UVA and VT at that time and some of them had a better profile that my kid. So yield protection is real. If UVA/VT is your goal, go ED. IF waitlisted, make sure your LOCI clearly indicates your interest (send one even if they are not asking for one).
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 15:59     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Available data simply do not support this. 49 kids went to UVA from TJ. UVA yield is around 40% that means at least 120+ kids were accepted from TJ. UVA's overall acceptance rate is 21%. That means 583 kids from TJ applied must have applied to have that many acceptance which cannot not be the case because TJ class size is less than 450 kids. So the only way the math works if the acceptance rate is higher - between 35% - 40% ( almost double the UVA's overall acceptance rate). This means about 300 -350 kids applied to UVA which is very very close to actual application number UVA received from TJ in 2022.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 15:23     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.


Do you think your kid would have had a better shot at UVA/VT if they had stayed at their base school?
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 14:39     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
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Anonymous wrote:73 percent Asian. They need more blacks, Spanish asap


This is a knee jerk political reaction that will backfire every time like it did in the last Governor Election.

What blacks and hispanic communities need at this very moment are the tools to compete with the Asians and the majority. This means the State allocating more resources to lift the standards of public schools in the predominantly black and hispanic neigborhoods.

Pushing black and hispanic kids not adequately prepared to attended a school like TJ will do more harm than good. It will be race to the bottom for everyone.


This


Maybe Asian students can go tutor at these lesser schools and share the wealth


+1

But most Asian students are busy with tutors themselves - for each and every class, then college prep, so they have little time to help others, unfortunately.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 13:30     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:73 percent Asian. They need more blacks, Spanish asap


This is a knee jerk political reaction that will backfire every time like it did in the last Governor Election.

What blacks and Hispanic communities need at this very moment are the tools to compete with the Asians and the majority. This means the State allocating more resources to lift the standards of public schools in the predominantly black and hispanic neighborhoods.

Pushing black and Hispanic kids not adequately prepared to attended a school like TJ will do more harm than good. It will be race to the bottom for everyone.


That they are not adequately prepared is a convenient myth. The school programming is the tool. The underlying assertion here is that private enrichment is needed. It shouldn't be. Perhaps Asian families have invested more in enrichment in an aim to get in/ahead.


As much a myth as only Asian kids who are in TJ are the ones who enrolled in test prep programs. What is generally true is Asian parents allocate disproportionate amount of resources both in time and money than all other ethnic groups to their children. This should not be held against them. Instead it should be copied.

It is also true URM communities lack the resources both in time and money that other communities have because of systematic discrimination and injustices. This should be remedied in a way that provides appropriate knowledge and resources to compete in equal footing and for lasting progress.

The idea that we need to increase the number of URMs everywhere blindly is a short term eyewash and not feasible long term. These efforts won't create the long lasting impact that these communities need and deserve.
Anonymous
Post 02/07/2023 13:23     Subject: TJ College Admissions Results
Anonymous wrote:I hear getting into UVA, VT is really tough from TJ. A large majority of TJ kids go out of state (with parents footing the bill!)


I agree with this comment. My kid graduated from TJ last year with high stats but is attending an out of state university (with very high costs) because of rejection at UVA and wait list at VT. Many TJ kids go out of state for college.