Anonymous
02/10/2022 08:36
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
I just don't see the need for these unnecessary expenses.
Right, its better to have students die. Funeral costs are cheaper.
SROs have never prevented a death.
Yes they have.
No. They haven’t.
Yes they have.
OP here.. there have been a few cases where an SRO intervened. Did that prevent a death? That can't be determined since that's a reality that never happened. Causation vs correlation.
However, we can say that there have been an uptick in violence, and that the shooting incident at Macgruder was handled very very poorly by untrained staff. They did not recognize a bullet wound, and even when they did, it took a while to call the cops and put the school on lockdown. Having a cop in the school would've cut the response time down by a lot, IMO. A cop is trained to recognize and assess threats; staff are not and honestly, nor should they. They have enough to do with keeping unruly kidsin check and making sure kids are being educated. I don't want their focus to be on threat assessment. Their focus should be on educating our kids.
Leave the threat assessment and dealing with weapon related incidents to the cops. That's what they are trained for, and that's what they are paid to deal with.
We can say COVID has an uptick in violence in the whole world and self harm in teens. We have no evidence that SROs prevent crime.
Cops are not trained to assess threat they are trained to respond to a crime.. after the fact. Cops do not prevent crime.
Anonymous
02/10/2022 08:29
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?
Deflection to "its the parents fault and therefore it'd the parents responsibility " is immature and unhelpful.
The fault may be "patenting " but the fault may also be genetic psychiatric disorder, poverty. Ignorance etc. The fault is absolutely irrelevant.
The impact is crucial. The impact of violent students effects all other students and staffing. Mitigation of that impact is squarely and undeniably the responsibility of the Board of Education including McKnight and Wolff
This is ironic that after all the "equity" discussions to remove police from schools, they're now back in again part-time? My guess is Wolff must be especially pissed.
It's a stupid model anyway since there is no guarantee that the CEO will just happen to be on-site exactly when something happens, or they will get into trouble if something does happen and someone asks "where was the CEO?" I can't imagine the police would want to be placed in this position, so unless it's rammed down their throats, I can't see them enjoying this model.
This also means that they will need to re-negotiate the SRO MOU with all the police departments all over again? A Community Engagement Officer wouldn't be covered under the current police agreement.
Also, are CEO's spending equal time at all schools, or are they "focused" on Title I's? If the latter, again the open themselves up to criticism that it's race-biased.
I see this as yet another failed policy in the making.
Anonymous
02/10/2022 08:24
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
I just don't see the need for these unnecessary expenses.
Right, its better to have students die. Funeral costs are cheaper.
SROs have never prevented a death.
Yes they have.
No. They haven’t.
Yes they have.
OP here.. there have been a few cases where an SRO intervened. Did that prevent a death? That can't be determined since that's a reality that never happened. Causation vs correlation.
However, we can say that there have been an uptick in violence, and that the shooting incident at Macgruder was handled very very poorly by untrained staff. They did not recognize a bullet wound, and even when they did, it took a while to call the cops and put the school on lockdown. Having a cop in the school would've cut the response time down by a lot, IMO. A cop is trained to recognize and assess threats; staff are not and honestly, nor should they. They have enough to do with keeping unruly kidsin check and making sure kids are being educated. I don't want their focus to be on threat assessment. Their focus should be on educating our kids.
Leave the threat assessment and dealing with weapon related incidents to the cops. That's what they are trained for, and that's what they are paid to deal with.
Anonymous
02/10/2022 08:12
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?
But I'm pretty sure those parents don't care what their kids do and wouldn't bother to show up.
Then you give the parents two choices, show up or your kid is expelled.
I'm a fan of this approach. There was a case in the news where a dad sat in class with his HSer kid who was being rude and obnoxious in the class. Kid was so embarrassed he stopped acting up.
HOWEVER, there are many parents who cannot take time off to do this. IMO, those are the kids who would benefit from super small class sizes, and more wrap around services.
Anonymous
02/10/2022 00:04
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?
But I'm pretty sure those parents don't care what their kids do and wouldn't bother to show up.
Then you give the parents two choices, show up or your kid is expelled.
Anonymous
02/10/2022 00:03
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?
But I'm pretty sure those parents don't care what their kids do and wouldn't bother to show up.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 23:59
Subject: Re:SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Repeat delinquents need to be removed from the school. There are a handful of kids at my dd's school that are always causing trouble.
take these kids and educate them elsewhere. plenty of empty former school buildings to set this up.
This too
Or make them go virtual
I like that idea.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 23:58
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
You're wrong. There isn't two sides.
There's a need for safety in school.
Period.
Completely agree. Violence in our schools is not okay, and it must be stopped.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 22:32
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about we need to force parents to attend school with their kids when their kids are having behavior problems to let the parents deal with it?
Deflection to "its the parents fault and therefore it'd the parents responsibility " is immature and unhelpful.
The fault may be "patenting " but the fault may also be genetic psychiatric disorder, poverty. Ignorance etc. The fault is absolutely irrelevant.
The impact is crucial. The impact of violent students effects all other students and staffing. Mitigation of that impact is squarely and undeniably the responsibility of the Board of Education including McKnight and Wolff
Correct, we need parents to step up and take responsibility for their kids. Good behavior starts at home. You are using the blame game to make excuses.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 22:19
Subject: Re:SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Repeat delinquents need to be removed from the school. There are a handful of kids at my dd's school that are always causing trouble.
take these kids and educate them elsewhere. plenty of empty former school buildings to set this up.
This too
Or make them go virtual
Anonymous
02/09/2022 22:00
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
I just don't see the need for these unnecessary expenses.
Right, its better to have students die. Funeral costs are cheaper.
SROs have never prevented a death.
Yes they have.
No. They haven’t.
Yes they have.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 21:53
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
I just don't see the need for these unnecessary expenses.
Right, its better to have students die. Funeral costs are cheaper.
SROs have never prevented a death.
Yes they have.
No. They haven’t.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 21:52
Subject: Re:SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Jawando for one.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ummmm this has been happening since we went back to school last August. It was just kept on the down low to appease the anti SRO people……….. sigh.
Agree, someone put some thought into this long before the announcement.
Who are "the anti-SRO people "? Doubts like Wolff is one.
Hans reimer is another.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 21:52
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty angry at the statement from tye BOE president that she is "not interested in seeing SROs return."
Principals teachers and parents want them back.
Who does she work for? Herself?
Some do, some do not.
How many do? How many don't?
Why? It’s not up to a public vote.
Not sure if you understand the concept of representational democracy.
Anonymous
02/09/2022 21:51
Subject: SRO lite coming back to MCPS as "Community Engagement Officer " CEOs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They won't be in uniform, and MCPS/School will have a say in who the CEO for the school is.
https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1032627
About time. I think MCPS played this one right. They listened to both sides.
I just don't see the need for these unnecessary expenses.
Right, its better to have students die. Funeral costs are cheaper.
SROs have never prevented a death.
Yes they have.