Anonymous
01/12/2023 10:28
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Could you imagine living your life in a constant state of “How can I monetize this?”? How shallow and unfulfilling.
Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)
Not sure if everyone else is experiencing this, but I’m seeing a big shift in the women I’m friends with and know in real life. A shift away from consumerism and towards minimalism. Less “avoid aging at all costs!”, and more embracing the gray (and removing the implants). Less complaining about kids and life, and more enjoying moments with family. More time outside too. It’s refreshing. (And very NOT Jen’s MO.)
Anonymous
01/12/2023 10:24
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
I am shocked and disgusted about this me course with her therapist. It is completely unethical on both sides. I hope Carissa is reported to the state board and loses her license. I also hope Jen cancels this course but I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that she does. She’s too money hungry for that and it would require admitting that she made a poor business decision.
Anonymous
01/12/2023 10:15
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
It's pretty bad. And keep in mind that this wasn't an impromto off-hand act of bad judgment. She had to make a whole MeCourse on this. It was a project. I hope they have the good sense to cancel it.
Anonymous
01/12/2023 10:04
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
Speaking from someone whose mother was taken advantage of by her "therapist" and fostered a very unhealthy relationship, this makes me so sick and because I'm seeing it from a very personal lens, this is the most despicable thing she has done in my eyes. To think that she thinks this is okay is just beyond. And she's disgusting for taking advantage and profiting from people who may be struggling with mental health issues. F&*K Jen Hatmaker and her greedy, greedy circle of snake oil sales people.
Anonymous
01/12/2023 06:46
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are we so sure Jen had a tummy tuck? I always assumed her weight loss was stress related. (I lost 20 pounds in three weeks when I had a traumatic breakup and it wasn't even a marriage.) For some people, stress manifests as low-grade constant nausea and a lack of interest in food. It's not unusual for people to either gain or lose a lot of weight when stressed, so do we have a reason to believe she had plastic surgery or was it just a possible answer to rapid weight loss?
Rapid weight loss during divorce is super common. The issues isn’t her weight. It’s that her stomach is tight and weight loss doesn’t stretch your stomach across and give you a flattened stomach. She even admitted she didn’t exercise aside from walks. So losing weight wouldn’t have pulled her stomach tight and her belly button has the classic tuck look bc it’s SHALLOW. with age and time and some weight like she was previously carrying, she’d have a deeper button. That is always tell tell to me when I see a woman post kids in that age bracket w a flattened stomach and perfect button. SURGERY. Lots of those comments in that ig post actually
She had a full mommy make over, had the full gamut, liposuction, tummy tuck, implants redone.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 23:16
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From my looking, Carissa is licensed in Michigan as a LMFT and LPC, both current.
She is not licensed as either in Texas. Which seems strange, because she would then be practicing without a license in Texas. Unless Jen's use of the word "therapist" was super intentional - as that is not a protected title.
I'm in Canada, where things are different. But I would be very curious how she's working this with her Michigan licensing bodies.
It is no accident that Jen said, trying to play dumb, "with all the letters." She can't name the letters, or else she would out Carissa as practicing without a license in TX.
It's shady to me. The dual relationship is definitely sketchy. It would definitely warrant an ethical inquiry to her licensing board, though I wonder if the use of "therapist" is the safety piece here that would protect her?
Seems suspect to me, no matter which way you slice it.
Also, I can own that my skills in doing a license search in TX might be poor.
I would imagine the licensing is probably not an issue because she's not offering therapy, this would be more similar to being on a podcast, writing a book, etc. You wouldn't expect someone to be licensed in every single state.
I imagine the BetterHelp people get around the licensing thing by saying they are providing services in the state they reside in? It's probably one of those areas of professional practice where the rules haven't really kept up with technology.
Except jen is promoting her credentials for credibility. She’s not licensed here and she’s actively “treating” Jen. I guess it’s not insurance fraud if she’s paying OOP
She’s not licensed in Tx
Anonymous
01/11/2023 23:14
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Anonymous wrote:From my looking, Carissa is licensed in Michigan as a LMFT and LPC, both current.
She is not licensed as either in Texas. Which seems strange, because she would then be practicing without a license in Texas. Unless Jen's use of the word "therapist" was super intentional - as that is not a protected title.
I'm in Canada, where things are different. But I would be very curious how she's working this with her Michigan licensing bodies.
It is no accident that Jen said, trying to play dumb, "with all the letters." She can't name the letters, or else she would out Carissa as practicing without a license in TX.
It's shady to me. The dual relationship is definitely sketchy. It would definitely warrant an ethical inquiry to her licensing board, though I wonder if the use of "therapist" is the safety piece here that would protect her?
Seems suspect to me, no matter which way you slice it.
Also, I can own that my skills in doing a license search in TX might be poor.
I would imagine the licensing is probably not an issue because she's not offering therapy, this would be more similar to being on a podcast, writing a book, etc. You wouldn't expect someone to be licensed in every single state.
I imagine the BetterHelp people get around the licensing thing by saying they are providing services in the state they reside in? It's probably one of those areas of professional practice where the rules haven't really kept up with technology.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 21:21
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
I clicked on this thread to see what could possibly be so interesting. Someone please tell Jen about it
Anonymous
01/11/2023 20:53
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Another reason it’s harmful to promote this dual relationship is that it skews clients expectations of how a a therapist should be. I can imagine her followers getting upset because their own therapist doesn’t want to be besties.
You know you haven’t reached Jen’s higher state of Godliness until even professionals are willing to risk their licence and career to serve you.
You know you haven’t reached Jen’s higher state of Godliness until even professionals are willing to risk their licence and career to serve you.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 20:42
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Their lives are pretty interwoven.
Clarissa spoke at ANC (Jen's church) a few years ago...there's a podcast of it. One might imagine they knew each other from the ANC connection, the case, therapists are NOT allowed to take on friends or people they know as clients. That's practically rule #1.
Last spring (2022) she re-posted one of Tyler's posts.
She has a bit of an "influencer" vibe herself and also speaks at events and offers "Life Coaching." I wonder if that's how she got around cross-state issues?
Clarissa spoke at ANC (Jen's church) a few years ago...there's a podcast of it. One might imagine they knew each other from the ANC connection, the case, therapists are NOT allowed to take on friends or people they know as clients. That's practically rule #1.
Last spring (2022) she re-posted one of Tyler's posts.
She has a bit of an "influencer" vibe herself and also speaks at events and offers "Life Coaching." I wonder if that's how she got around cross-state issues?
Anonymous
01/11/2023 20:36
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
I’ve known many, many people in my lifetime on blood pressure meds. I’ve never known a single one of them to be red all over. I’ve known alcoholics with red faces, primarily limited to the bridge of the nose / cheeks similar to lupus. The comments about the redness aren’t misogynistic imo but rather on brand for this particular page, pointing out how it’d be quite on brand and not surprising at all to surmise she goes to a tanning bed.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 20:21
Subject: Re:Jen Hatmaker
I think Clarrisa is or was with Better Help or whatever the line therapy service Jen was pimping a year ago when I was in her book club and listened to some of her podcasts. Comments on SM back then about the sponsorship talked about how this service is bad and she shouldn't be Jen's therapist because of the out of state thing.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 19:48
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
From my looking, Carissa is licensed in Michigan as a LMFT and LPC, both current.
She is not licensed as either in Texas. Which seems strange, because she would then be practicing without a license in Texas. Unless Jen's use of the word "therapist" was super intentional - as that is not a protected title.
I'm in Canada, where things are different. But I would be very curious how she's working this with her Michigan licensing bodies.
It is no accident that Jen said, trying to play dumb, "with all the letters." She can't name the letters, or else she would out Carissa as practicing without a license in TX.
It's shady to me. The dual relationship is definitely sketchy. It would definitely warrant an ethical inquiry to her licensing board, though I wonder if the use of "therapist" is the safety piece here that would protect her?
Seems suspect to me, no matter which way you slice it.
Also, I can own that my skills in doing a license search in TX might be poor.
She is not licensed as either in Texas. Which seems strange, because she would then be practicing without a license in Texas. Unless Jen's use of the word "therapist" was super intentional - as that is not a protected title.
I'm in Canada, where things are different. But I would be very curious how she's working this with her Michigan licensing bodies.
It is no accident that Jen said, trying to play dumb, "with all the letters." She can't name the letters, or else she would out Carissa as practicing without a license in TX.
It's shady to me. The dual relationship is definitely sketchy. It would definitely warrant an ethical inquiry to her licensing board, though I wonder if the use of "therapist" is the safety piece here that would protect her?
Seems suspect to me, no matter which way you slice it.
Also, I can own that my skills in doing a license search in TX might be poor.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 18:45
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
There is no ethical way to explain or excuse Carissa’s presence in a Jen Hatmaker Me-Course. Doesn’t matter if she did it for free to just help people in general. She could do that solo, but wouldn’t have Jen’s audience. If Jen paid her her usual hourly rate… Or some sort of media appearance rate… Or is giving her royalties from the individual streams in purchases… There is no arrangement that makes ethical sense.
Anonymous
01/11/2023 18:42
Subject: Jen Hatmaker
Have y'all not seen that top rated show on Netflix right now, "Stutz'?? It's Jonah Hill (a celebrity) interviewing his long term therapist and it feels so icky and inappropriate how they have a banter and joke on each other and talk about their issues together, yet Jonah Hill is still a client of this man. So apparently Jen is not the only one monetizing her therapy relationship. Apparently celebrities with the initials JH like to do this...lol