Anonymous
06/13/2013 06:55
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Right. It was JO Wilson. Apologies to LT
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/dc-schools-cheating-report-thin-and-biased/2012/08/11/569d3f5c-e40d-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_blog.html
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/dc-schools-cheating-report-thin-and-biased/2012/08/11/569d3f5c-e40d-11e1-a25e-15067bb31849_blog.html
Anonymous
06/13/2013 06:50
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Must have been both, then. Looking for the quote. Will post when I find it.
Anonymous
06/13/2013 06:39
Subject: ludlow-taylor
In fairness, it was JO Wilson that Kaya "saved" from investigating.
LT has a significant portion of the population take portfolio test, an alternative to the DCCAS for Special Ed students.
The portion of the students that take the CAS is quite low and the erasure rate was high.
Read all about it. This is a link to the list of Erase to the Top Schools, but it has links to the excellent investigative journalism on the topic. It's worth reading all the parts.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2011-03-27-school-test-table_N.htm
LT has a significant portion of the population take portfolio test, an alternative to the DCCAS for Special Ed students.
The portion of the students that take the CAS is quite low and the erasure rate was high.
Read all about it. This is a link to the list of Erase to the Top Schools, but it has links to the excellent investigative journalism on the topic. It's worth reading all the parts.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2011-03-27-school-test-table_N.htm
Anonymous
06/13/2013 06:18
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Wow. Absolutely questions like yours are warranted and should have been asked. They are the right questions to either confirm cheating or clear the school. But THEY WERE NOT ASKED. There was zero investigation allowed at LT. When the people hired by Kaya and the city to look into cheating tried to put LT on the list, Kaya said " No, don't look there. I know it is a good school ". And they didn't look there. Rumor is, her boyfriend's kid was enrolled there and that is why she steered investigators away.
Anonymous
06/12/2013 22:28
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Was the erasure rate a total count or a percentage? What are the exact numbers from the report? What are erasures rates at other schools? What was the per child erasure count? What constitutes high? I am sure there are limitations to the research conducted that must be considered. I mean a report in the post and a biased interpretation doesn't exactly yield valid results. As far as test scores fluctuating you need to consider factors such as: was there a single kink in the teaching chain that was fixed? How many students were enrolled? How many students were tested? How many students were special needs and did not take the CAS? I am sure someone answered these questions and concluded LT did not cheat or else it would have been identified for cheating like the schools that were.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 22:58
Subject: ludlow-taylor
The only reason Maury's test scores have been lower than LT's is because the first cohort of high-SES neighborhood kids have not made it to the testing grades. Once the 2013 scores come out, in August, Maury will probably pull ahead. Within two years it will be far ahead. It won't be long before Maury's proficiency pass rate shoots into the 70s or 80s while LT's can't rise much (at least not legitimately) because it's not on track to have the demographics to get the scores up much. The DC-CAS mainly tests class of course.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 22:45
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Those scores are not legit ( even 2012 ) are not legit and no one trusts them. L-t will have to find another way to show it is better academically than Maury and Brent. Possibly it is, but DC cas is not the way to show it
Anonymous
06/11/2013 22:36
Subject: ludlow-taylor
OK, right now, go to the DCPS website, click on school profiles, select ward 6, and click on Brent, L-T, and Maury. Then click Compare Now.
As far as test scores go, L-T does BETTER than Maury. (If that's what Maury proponents mean by "turned around," I'll take L-T as is, thanks.) In reading, L-T actually has more students scoring at the advanced level than Brent does!
(And before anyone cries cheating: Yeah, there were suspiciously high erasure rates in 2010. But L-T was NOT on the list of seven DCPS schools (& four charters) where cheating was identified in 2012. Also, while I don't have the 2010 scores readily available, I believe the 2012 scores (as well as 2011's) were noticeably lower than the suspect 2010 scores, which on the one hand seems to confirm the 2010 cheating allegations, but OTOH suggests the current scores are legit.)
Also, I attended the school play at L-T tonight, and as a bunch of 5th-grade boys courteously & industriously set out an extra row of chair to accommodate the standing-room-only crowd, I thought back to a PP's description of the older kids at L-T (what were they called? teen moms and would-be thugs?) and had to laugh at the wonderful disparity between the scary image on DCUM of the older students at L-T and the utterly wholesome reality in front of me.
As far as test scores go, L-T does BETTER than Maury. (If that's what Maury proponents mean by "turned around," I'll take L-T as is, thanks.) In reading, L-T actually has more students scoring at the advanced level than Brent does!
(And before anyone cries cheating: Yeah, there were suspiciously high erasure rates in 2010. But L-T was NOT on the list of seven DCPS schools (& four charters) where cheating was identified in 2012. Also, while I don't have the 2010 scores readily available, I believe the 2012 scores (as well as 2011's) were noticeably lower than the suspect 2010 scores, which on the one hand seems to confirm the 2010 cheating allegations, but OTOH suggests the current scores are legit.)
Also, I attended the school play at L-T tonight, and as a bunch of 5th-grade boys courteously & industriously set out an extra row of chair to accommodate the standing-room-only crowd, I thought back to a PP's description of the older kids at L-T (what were they called? teen moms and would-be thugs?) and had to laugh at the wonderful disparity between the scary image on DCUM of the older students at L-T and the utterly wholesome reality in front of me.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 21:58
Subject: ludlow-taylor
There are plenty of buildings in the neighborhood that are subsidized or owned by "poor" people who's families have owned them for many years. There is rent control in many buildings. It is a diverse neighborhood and hopefully one day that will be reflected in the school.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 21:29
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Anonymous wrote:So should we kick out the white families who are oob? Like the ones who should go to JO or Minor?. Or can they stay? Is it just the poor black kids that are negatively impacting the school? Or all the oob kids? Is oob lang for poor black kids or does this include the oob white families at Ludlow (of which there are many).
Uh, many?? Yeah, right! Way to totally crater your point (not that it was a good one to begin with).
Anonymous
06/11/2013 20:58
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Anonymous wrote:And are poor black kids that live in boundary (of which there are many) considered oob?
On DCUM a black child is pretty much a threat unless proven otherwise.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 20:39
Subject: ludlow-taylor
Anonymous wrote:"We put in work. Lots, which only made us feel like we were wasting our time. There were no civil conversations to be had with Cobbs. Try one-way conversations - her talking, or you, never both. Then we left, for Maury, where we have been as happy as clams."
I don't think this is a "sweeping generalization." Clearly the woman (Cobbs) sucks at making people feel heard - and whatever the problems the school may have, this is the FIRST, the very first, and most important thing a principal needs to be good at. Whether she does jack with said info is moot, whether she's already got a program that could work just fine for any child, especially a high-SES one, none of that matters. The subject here is people's children, their OWN children - not the "generalized DCPS child." IF you can't make your IB families feel acknowledged, AND your test scores suck A--, you suck at your job. This doesn't mean she doesn't care abou the kids, or even that she doesn't try - it means it's time to go elsewhere because she's not good at what she should be good at.
If she were educating the kids, it would be easy to say f--- off, but she isn't. She isn't.
Anonymous
06/11/2013 19:58
Subject: ludlow-taylor
And are poor black kids that live in boundary (of which there are many) considered oob?
Anonymous
06/11/2013 19:57
Subject: ludlow-taylor
slang*
Anonymous
06/11/2013 19:57
Subject: ludlow-taylor
So should we kick out the white families who are oob? Like the ones who should go to JO or Minor?. Or can they stay? Is it just the poor black kids that are negatively impacting the school? Or all the oob kids? Is oob lang for poor black kids or does this include the oob white families at Ludlow (of which there are many).