Anonymous wrote:I agree, once the child was returned to school, it was no longer a police matter. This was a five year old boy.

Watching the video made me sick. How could police behave in that manner to a child? The police officers should be fired and training on basic human decency skills for how to work with members of the community.

Then there were the MCPS employees. Why they didn’t step in and help the child? Why didn’t they ask the police to leave? Disgusting.

Finally, as a mom, I have sympathy for the child’s mom given the situation. She was called to the school because her child ran away from the school staff who was supposed to be watching him only to become the one interrogated by the police. She clearly seemed overwhelmed. The school system should be working with her, the boy, and the school staff to come up with strategies to deescalate when he looses control. Bring in a specialist in behavioral intervention strategies.

I hope the boy gets the help that he needs. For police to threaten and yell at him like that probably was very traumatizing.

Anonymous wrote: Money. I think mom set it up so she could sue.

Anonymous wrote:I hope if anything comes from this video is that MANY kids have needs outside of a parent scope and MANY families have needs that they can not financially receive. Lower class or struggling middle class do not have medical insurance. Do not have the money. Do not have the time. Many are truly single parents (no dropping off with other parent on weekends etc...) and many parents have untreated mental health issues as well.

It is just so sad that the top 1% of our society are so disgusting, controlling, and selfish that wages are so low for others. That our government can not see that basic health care and helping people out of poverty are human rights. We look at other countries with severe poverty and controlling governments and think our country has freedom. It is a joke. We are puppets.

Anonymous wrote:This exactly. You would be shocked how much I spend out of pocket for mental health care for my SN kid and I have great insurance. $5k along for parent training and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Personnel actions, including discipline, are private. LEOBR.

The chief can't fire people because of a collective bargaining provision.

Support Hans Riemer's bill to revamp discipline.

This incident is a perfect example of why government employees’ disciplinary actions and records for serious matters should be public. It is crucial that the public have visibility into how the MCPS and MCPD employees involved were disciplined so that the community can determine whether its government is upholding community standards in a fair and proportionate manner.

I believe the bill you are referring to is co-sponsored by Riemer and Jawando and Jawando wrote it.

It's Riemer's. Jawando liked it and signed on as a co-sponsor.

My bad. Riemer and Rice wrote it.
http://councilmemberriemer.com/2020/10/police-accountability-legislation.html

Jawando and Navarro signed on. https://apps.montgomerycountymd.gov/ccllims/DownloadFilePage?FileName=2673_1_10904_Bill_34-20E_Publichearing_20200922.pdf

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The point of having a SRO at each school is to help eliminate the need for random MoCo officers to be called in situations like the one involving this child. Obviously, there were multiple opportunities that school personnel could have responded differently leading up to this point to try and prevent the escalation that they felt necessitated police being called; however, if there was a SRO officer at this school, who was TRAINED IN DEVELOPMENTALLY APPROPRIATE CRISIS MANAGEMENT, that was familiar with the students and admin at the school, I think there would have been a much better outcome. While we would like for all police officers to be trained in best practices, if that’s not possible, let’s start with adding more training for school SRO. I think this also illustrates the importance of doubling (or quadrupling) the funding for school counselors. Many schools only have one counselor and it is impossible to even scratch the surface of addressing the students needs.

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. The point of having a SRO at each school is to help eliminate the need for random MoCo officers to be called in situations like the one involving this child. Obviously, there were multiple opportunities that school personnel could have responded differently leading up to this point to try and prevent the escalation that they felt necessitated police being called; however, if there was a SRO officer at this school, who was TRAINED IN DEVELOPMENTALLY APPROPRIATE CRISIS MANAGEMENT, that was familiar with the students and admin at the school, I think there would have been a much better outcome. While we would like for all police officers to be trained in best practices, if that’s not possible, let’s start with adding more training for school SRO. I think this also illustrates the importance of doubling (or quadrupling) the funding for school counselors. Many schools only have one counselor and it is impossible to even scratch the surface of addressing the students needs.

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MoCo police were responding to this child like he was a 21 year old adult, not a 5 year old child! It seems the (white) admin were afraid to go against the (black) police and mother. Police officers claim to be old-school and, and how they would have been beaten if they were the child in this situation. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon, and illustrates why there is a need for a SLO officer at each school (including elementary school) THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY TRANED in child development and responding appropriately in a crisis situations. Obviously, the way you respond to a five year old in crisis is much different than how you would respond to a 15 year old in crisis; however, BOTH situations would need someone who is compassionate and firm.

No, we don't need *police officers* in schools to serve these functions. That is not what police officers are (or at least should be) for.

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MoCo police were responding to this child like he was a 21 year old adult, not a 5 year old child! It seems the (white) admin were afraid to go against the (black) police and mother. Police officers claim to be old-school and, and how they would have been beaten if they were the child in this situation. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon, and illustrates why there is a need for a SLO officer at each school (including elementary school) THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY TRANED in child development and responding appropriately in a crisis situations. Obviously, the way you respond to a five year old in crisis is much different than how you would respond to a 15 year old in crisis; however, BOTH situations would need someone who is compassionate and firm.

No, we don't need *police officers* in schools to serve these functions. That is not what police officers are (or at least should be) for.

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MoCo police were responding to this child like he was a 21 year old adult, not a 5 year old child! It seems the (white) admin were afraid to go against the (black) police and mother. Police officers claim to be old-school and, and how they would have been beaten if they were the child in this situation. Unfortunately, this is not uncommon, and illustrates why there is a need for a SLO officer at each school (including elementary school) THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY TRANED in child development and responding appropriately in a crisis situations. Obviously, the way you respond to a five year old in crisis is much different than how you would respond to a 15 year old in crisis; however, BOTH situations would need someone who is compassionate and firm.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the police officer transporting the child without a proper car seat?

A child hits another with a clipboard.
A child grabs another by the hair and slams their head.
A child hits the teacher.
A child breaks a $1000 computer.
A child leaves school property.
An officer of the law gets in that child’s face and screams at them and taunts them.
An officer of the law tells a child they are bad and encourages mom to whoop that child.
An officer of the law test drives a pair of handcuffs on a five year old.
A mom tells officers and a staff member she can’t beat her child because she’ll lose custody or go to jail but otherwise would.
A mom is suing the MCPD after joking around and smiling at the end of this debacle...

And you are concerned that a five and 1/2 year old is drive 2 blocks without a seatbelt? GMAFB!

This x 1000
Its all bad news. There was much more said than that. Those cops should be fired. That mom should get CPS in home help given the behavior of the child and mandated counseling.

Why is the adult in the room/who ever she is not talking to the child helping him calm down and guide him through the situation? The police scream at the kid but don't engage them and act like fools. The other adult is not helping the child either.

You forgot where mom strips the kid to show officers.
All the inappropriate conversations in front of the kid. Joking and laughing instead of talking to the child appropriately about behavior. They can call the kid bad but can't talk to the child about appropriate behavior. Get down on his level and talk to him calmly.
The name calling by the officers.
Those staff seem horrible. No wonder the kid is running.
Mom has no clue how to parent. She buys him toys then has them throw it away. She spanks and bribes but not work with him on behavior.
The police counseling was inappropriate. They have nothing to offer.
Mother calling kid retarded and other stuff. How she spoke to her child was just as terrible. The all three fed into each other.
No one is teaching this kid deescalation and alternatives to anger and frustration and how to get needs met. No one is listening to him, just yelling.
Mom knows he needs a therapist, didn't get him therapy and saying he doesn't need it.
Mom blaming the school and they are clearly part of the problem but he needs a different school environment.
Mom is just as bad, if not worse as she should have taken her child and left.
Mom is rambling about her and her beliefs.

No one is talking about the child or the child's needs or talking to the child to help figure out what is going on.
This child has SN - he only drinks pedisure and only recently started with chicken nuggets. She should have gotten him evaluated and feeding help as at 5, that's not normal. Pickly is normal, that is not.

Zero reason for Mom to sue as she acted the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Personnel actions, including discipline, are private. LEOBR.

The chief can't fire people because of a collective bargaining provision.

Support Hans Riemer's bill to revamp discipline.

This incident is a perfect example of why government employees’ disciplinary actions and records for serious matters should be public. It is crucial that the public have visibility into how the MCPS and MCPD employees involved were disciplined so that the community can determine whether its government is upholding community standards in a fair and proportionate manner.

I believe the bill you are referring to is co-sponsored by Riemer and Jawando and Jawando wrote it.

It's Riemer's. Jawando liked it and signed on as a co-sponsor.

My bad. Riemer and Rice wrote it.
http://councilmemberriemer.com/2020/10/police-accountability-legislation.html

Jawando and Navarro signed on. https://apps.montgomerycountymd.gov/ccllims/DownloadFilePage?FileName=2673_1_10904_Bill_34-20E_Publichearing_20200922.pdf

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Personnel actions, including discipline, are private. LEOBR.

The chief can't fire people because of a collective bargaining provision.

Support Hans Riemer's bill to revamp discipline.

This incident is a perfect example of why government employees’ disciplinary actions and records for serious matters should be public. It is crucial that the public have visibility into how the MCPS and MCPD employees involved were disciplined so that the community can determine whether its government is upholding community standards in a fair and proportionate manner.

I believe the bill you are referring to is co-sponsored by Riemer and Jawando and Jawando wrote it.

It's Riemer's. Jawando liked it and signed on as a co-sponsor.