Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:55
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Forgot to add that this time should also be spend actually TESTING people.
PP here. I would be fine with closures of 2-4 weeks, but my guess is that in 2-4 weeks we will be in the same situation as we are today, and then what? I'd even be okay with going to end of school year (though I think that would have severe impact on availability of healthcare workers and also people would take their kids to their jobs). But what happens when they close for a period and nothing changes?
Look, I am not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see a lot of clear-headed thinking in this thread. I unfortunately think that we need to prepare for a world where COVID-19 is a widely circulating virus. Do we permanently close schools? What do we do?
Agree. We could close schools for 2-4 weeks and the first day back a teacher or student could show up sick. Then we are back to square one. Especially if they are not going to ground air and cruise travel (looking like they aren't) closing school does nothing. You could still be infected by Karen who just got back from Italy.
+1 to you both. Glad to see there are a few folks with common sense on this thread.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:40
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:So far Taiwan is the only country that has tentatively reopened schools.
They are doing so with massive prevention and testing measures in place.
Fever checks twice a day. COVID tests for symptomatic students. If two students in a school test positive they shut the school down for 14 days.
I’d say at least shut schools down until we have the ability to reopen with these measures in place.
This!!!
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:29
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
So far Taiwan is the only country that has tentatively reopened schools.
They are doing so with massive prevention and testing measures in place.
Fever checks twice a day. COVID tests for symptomatic students. If two students in a school test positive they shut the school down for 14 days.
I’d say at least shut schools down until we have the ability to reopen with these measures in place.
They are doing so with massive prevention and testing measures in place.
Fever checks twice a day. COVID tests for symptomatic students. If two students in a school test positive they shut the school down for 14 days.
I’d say at least shut schools down until we have the ability to reopen with these measures in place.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:27
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Forgot to add that this time should also be spend actually TESTING people.
PP here. I would be fine with closures of 2-4 weeks, but my guess is that in 2-4 weeks we will be in the same situation as we are today, and then what? I'd even be okay with going to end of school year (though I think that would have severe impact on availability of healthcare workers and also people would take their kids to their jobs). But what happens when they close for a period and nothing changes?
Look, I am not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see a lot of clear-headed thinking in this thread. I unfortunately think that we need to prepare for a world where COVID-19 is a widely circulating virus. Do we permanently close schools? What do we do?
Agree. We could close schools for 2-4 weeks and the first day back a teacher or student could show up sick. Then we are back to square one. Especially if they are not going to ground air and cruise travel (looking like they aren't) closing school does nothing. You could still be infected by Karen who just got back from Italy.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:23
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So remember the question isn’t do we close the schools?
The question is do we close schools proactively and get the benefits or reactively and lose the benefits?
Honestly though the time to close proactively has likely been lost.
We are already several weeks into this outbreak at least. We just don’t have the tests that prove it.
So frustrated with our country.
And it's not so bad. So why would we close the schools again?
NP - to try to keep it from getting "so bad."
Why do you believe broad school closures will keep it from getting "so bad"?
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WE GOT AT THIS TIME ONCE WE LET THIS THING INSIDE,!!!!
It is likely already here and has been for weeks if not months.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:23
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Forgot to add that this time should also be spend actually TESTING people.
PP here. I would be fine with closures of 2-4 weeks, but my guess is that in 2-4 weeks we will be in the same situation as we are today, and then what? I'd even be okay with going to end of school year (though I think that would have severe impact on availability of healthcare workers and also people would take their kids to their jobs). But what happens when they close for a period and nothing changes?
Look, I am not trying to be argumentative, but I don't see a lot of clear-headed thinking in this thread. I unfortunately think that we need to prepare for a world where COVID-19 is a widely circulating virus. Do we permanently close schools? What do we do?
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:14
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Those who want do nothing are like a guy who had a huge lick in the roof and was sitting in his living rooms watching water dripping through the ceiling and wondering if closing the hole will do any good. He water for days as the water ruined his house and made floor collapse.
Once hit on the head, he woke up saying, should have closed that hole When it first started.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:10
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dulles is empty, 3 Acela trains a day have been taken off the schedule. [b]Disney wi be empty at spring break.[/b]
Ooooh thanks for the laugh! I needed that.
Come back in Spring and we check again.
DP here. As a regular Disney goer, and a regular on Disney message boards, I can assure no one is cancelling and people are even planning last minute trips.
That's because most Americans are really not bright bordering on moronic. Have you seen the video with the lady who thinks that Dems made up C19 to get Trump out of office?
Well, regardless of the reason, the PP's assertion that the parks are going to empty out is pure fantasy. Pun intended.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:10
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Forgot to add that this time should also be spend actually TESTING people.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:10
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So remember the question isn’t do we close the schools?
The question is do we close schools proactively and get the benefits or reactively and lose the benefits?
Honestly though the time to close proactively has likely been lost.
We are already several weeks into this outbreak at least. We just don’t have the tests that prove it.
So frustrated with our country.
And it's not so bad. So why would we close the schools again?
NP - to try to keep it from getting "so bad."
Why do you believe broad school closures will keep it from getting "so bad"?
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WE GOT AT THIS TIME ONCE WE LET THIS THING INSIDE,!!!!
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:07
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
I’m a NP but I think we should close for around 2-3 weeks to see what the virus is going and go from there. Of course nobody can give a hard end date. Nobody knows exactly what will happen. We can only guess based on what we’ve seen in other countries.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:07
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
I'm not opposed to closing schools in a more widespread fashion, but I haven't seen strong scientific evidence that it will work the was people claim it will, and it will come with enormous social costs. The science that there is seems to be based on the flu, but don't it we already know covid-19 doesn't uniformly act like the flu, particularly with respect to transmission through children? What basis is there for assuming the flu models are correct here?
Dude, with all due respect, our kids and our lives are at stake, we can not wait until every hardHead will see the obvious. We are not your Guinea pigs.
If you can’t see, you need glasses. Back off from deciding on peoples lives. You are talking costs? Have you ever plan a funeral? Have you seen the toll that an untimely death of a parent takes on kids?.. if money you value more then life, then there is more purpose for you on finances and political forums because you are too late for ethics train.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:05
Subject: Here is why we should close schools now.
For those of you advocating for immediate widespread school closures, when do you think they should reopen? What would your trigger be? I see a lot of insistence that school closure will stop or slow an epidemic, but little discussion of how we know that has happened and schools can reopen. One PP above stated they should be closed until manufacturing capacity is improved, which could literally be years. What other triggers should be used?
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
If your answer is years of timr, I cannot see how school closure is prudent.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:04
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
It’s not the deaths from COVID that are the huge concern though they are a concern.
It is the number of patients requiring intensive care and ventilators. Huge numbers all at once crippling our healthcare.
That doesn’t happen for seasonal flu which is why society doesn’t shut down for seasonal flu.
If you wait till you see this surge in the ICU in your community you have failed to plan ahead and learn from other countries experience.
It looks like that’s the way we are going to go though.
It is the number of patients requiring intensive care and ventilators. Huge numbers all at once crippling our healthcare.
That doesn’t happen for seasonal flu which is why society doesn’t shut down for seasonal flu.
If you wait till you see this surge in the ICU in your community you have failed to plan ahead and learn from other countries experience.
It looks like that’s the way we are going to go though.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 14:00
Subject: Re:Here is why we should close schools now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So remember the question isn’t do we close the schools?
The question is do we close schools proactively and get the benefits or reactively and lose the benefits?
Honestly though the time to close proactively has likely been lost.
We are already several weeks into this outbreak at least. We just don’t have the tests that prove it.
So frustrated with our country.
And it's not so bad. So why would we close the schools again?
NP - to try to keep it from getting "so bad."
Why do you believe broad school closures will keep it from getting "so bad"?
Because. there. is. data. showing. that. it. works.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/opinion/coronavirus-schools-closed.html