Anonymous wrote:I can't even with the Anjy guy. Someone pointed out an error in when ATS starts (and I'm not sure that it even matters because Key could probably keep it's start time if necessary for the population) and he's equating 35 minutes to an hour. Dude, let that argument go.

I want to be supportive of the minority population of Key, but those loud voices make it harder and harder.

Anonymous wrote:I can't even with the Anjy guy. Someone pointed out an error in when ATS starts (and I'm not sure that it even matters because Key could probably keep it's start time if necessary for the population) and he's equating 35 minutes to an hour. Dude, let that argument go.

I want to be supportive of the minority population of Key, but those loud voices make it harder and harder.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some very good questions being asked in those AEM posts, I’ll be interested to see if the McKinley people have responses.

Seems they are unable to respond when confronted with their data errors.

I’m pretty disappointed in their (lack of) substantive response. They’ve supposedly spent over a month on this, yet it took mere hours for people to identify a host of fundamental flaws that they have no answer for. Did they actually sanity check this before sharing, or did they see it get the result they wanted and just ignore all other considerations?

Great question. Guess we will see if/when they ever respond.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

100% correct take.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

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Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

It is disgusting. Unfortunately rather then being called out on her poor behavior- she is getting accolades from former Key administrators with them talking about how proud they are of her.
The Key folks have entirely lost all sense of perspective- they view this as an existential threat and our treating it as such. THey don't view any tactic as beneath them- whether its manipulating the low income folk they are purportedly arguing for- altering objective facts, etc.
Here is the real threat- they have not managed to convince their low income Hispanic community that immersion is 'worth it'. They are not interested in actual solutions to hypothetical problems- e.g. busing kids to extended day at Key- because they deeply fear that if given the choice between staying at the Key neighborhood building, vs going somewhere else- many of those families are going to choose Key neighborhood. Not because they can't make going to the ATS site with accommodations work -because they don't want to- they just don't care that much about attending an immersion school. The more 'friendly' the Key neighborhood school is to them (e.g. bilingual office workers etc.) the less likely those families are to follow immersion. So the Key boosters (beyond those who just personally don't want to move) are desperate to block the move and not think about solutions.
Many of them think that the low-income hispanic community is better off in immersion (and full disclosure- I agree with them). But I also think they have freedom of choice- and their choices need to be respected.

Anonymous wrote:Above is one of the reasons why I am so disgusted with the Key teacher. She should know better.

Anonymous wrote:In other words, you have no support for your school funding criticism. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Just whoever is organizing a protest and or speeches at the SB meeting, please leave the kids out of this. March all you want. Make signs, whatever. But it’s beyond selfish and cruel to expose the kids to this. They don’t need to know anything about it unless it actually happens. Parents and teachers, please put your students first and set the tone that they are resilient, that they will be okay no matter what, that you will make it okay for them. Don’t bring them up to the podium to cry that they’re going to lose all their friends (which may not be true anyway). Please. It’s not right.

PLEASE someone put this on AEM. As a teacher, I'm not going to post over there, but I have wanted to shout this from the rooftops. If parents are acting like this is the end of the world, how are their kids supposed to feel about anything happening? Any parent who brings a child to the meeting is doing them such a disservice. We are supposed to help them navigate change and help them grow, not make them feel like victims or manipulate them for our own selfish desires.

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Anonymous wrote:There are some very good questions being asked in those AEM posts, I’ll be interested to see if the McKinley people have responses.

Seems they are unable to respond when confronted with their data errors.

Seriously, there are some deafening crickets in response to the number-crunching posts.

And apparently only care about their low income population. No response to the question about the low income population who live near key but don’t attend the school and how this will impact them.


Just bitching about “why are choice programs always the ones getting the short end of the stick”

Also no response on what their proposal would do to Barrett.

Oh wait now we are going back to attacking the people asking reasonable questions! Good times! I for one can’t wait until we have a presidential election and boundary change process at the same time. I’m already stocking up on wine and popcorn for that one.

Huh? People asking about Barrett and non-Key low-income families are asking very reasonable questions - and the Key advocates refuse to provide any responses other than insinuations that one population is expendable for another, or you need to read all of our posts more closely because what we've been saying is of greater importance than any concerns of anyone else, or you're anti-immersion and racist, or on and on. Yet WE'RE the ones who are attacking????? Quite evident what side you fall on.