Any updates?

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60 years is not what the prosecution is actually lobbying for. 60 years is the maximum sentencing if they were considered guilty of all charges and were the masterminds of the racketeering and conspiracy, like Rick Singer facing the same charges. People like Loughlin and Guiannulli who were just gaming the system are only going to get at the lower end of the scale. There are no minimum sentences, so they'll likely end up with something under 5 years (most likely under 2 years) based on the parents that have gone before. However, there was a huge cut to the first round of parents for pleading guilty. It may be in the under 5 years category for the last group who have plead not guilty and fought the system the entire way. However, based other parents caught up in the same scandal, they are looking at 6-24 months imprisonment and a fine of $200K+.

Huneeus paid $300K in bribes, sentenced to 5 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Semprevivo paid $400K in bribes, sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Sloane paid $250K in bribes (including fake athletic admissions), sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $95K fines.
Flaxman paid $250K in bribes, $75K for fake test scores, sentenced to 1 month, 250 hours and $50K fines.

these are the biggest fish so far. The difference is that each of these people took one of of the plea bargains and plead guilty. You get lighter sentences when you accept a plea bargain. For those that don't accept the plea bargain and fight to the end and then are found guilty, you get bigger sentencing penalties.

Not looking good for Loughlin and Guiannulli.

Yesterday (11/13), California real estate mogul (and former insurance title exec), Toby MacFarlane, was sentenced to 6 months prison, 2 years supervised release, 200 hours community service, $150K fines. This is the longest prison term yet in the Varsity Blues scandal.

He paid $450K to pass his daughter off as a soccer star and his 5 ft, 5 in son as a 6 ft 1 in basketball recruit. His daughter graduated in 2018 and never played soccer for the school in her entire college career. His son was admitted, but withdrew from the school without playing basketball.

And Loughlin and Guiannulli paid more than all of the above for two children. The penalties are going up with every trial and there are still 13 cases (including Loughlin and Guiannulli's) pending.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-admissions-scandal-california-real-estate-exec-gets-longest-prison-n1081961

Six months AND HE PLEADED GUILTY. OMG Lori also has more charges against her.

I'm beginning to think 12 months is going to be her minimum sentence. Maybe 1.5 years for dragging this out.

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60 years is not what the prosecution is actually lobbying for. 60 years is the maximum sentencing if they were considered guilty of all charges and were the masterminds of the racketeering and conspiracy, like Rick Singer facing the same charges. People like Loughlin and Guiannulli who were just gaming the system are only going to get at the lower end of the scale. There are no minimum sentences, so they'll likely end up with something under 5 years (most likely under 2 years) based on the parents that have gone before. However, there was a huge cut to the first round of parents for pleading guilty. It may be in the under 5 years category for the last group who have plead not guilty and fought the system the entire way. However, based other parents caught up in the same scandal, they are looking at 6-24 months imprisonment and a fine of $200K+.

Huneeus paid $300K in bribes, sentenced to 5 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Semprevivo paid $400K in bribes, sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Sloane paid $250K in bribes (including fake athletic admissions), sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $95K fines.
Flaxman paid $250K in bribes, $75K for fake test scores, sentenced to 1 month, 250 hours and $50K fines.

these are the biggest fish so far. The difference is that each of these people took one of of the plea bargains and plead guilty. You get lighter sentences when you accept a plea bargain. For those that don't accept the plea bargain and fight to the end and then are found guilty, you get bigger sentencing penalties.

Not looking good for Loughlin and Guiannulli.

Yesterday (11/13), California real estate mogul (and former insurance title exec), Toby MacFarlane, was sentenced to 6 months prison, 2 years supervised release, 200 hours community service, $150K fines. This is the longest prison term yet in the Varsity Blues scandal.

He paid $450K to pass his daughter off as a soccer star and his 5 ft, 5 in son as a 6 ft 1 in basketball recruit. His daughter graduated in 2018 and never played soccer for the school in her entire college career. His son was admitted, but withdrew from the school without playing basketball.

And Loughlin and Guiannulli paid more than all of the above for two children. The penalties are going up with every trial and there are still 13 cases (including Loughlin and Guiannulli's) pending.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-admissions-scandal-california-real-estate-exec-gets-longest-prison-n1081961

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Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

Nobody? I sure do! And I'm not even an "eat the rich nutbag"--I have no problem with rich people...HONEST rich people.

But yeah. I think Lori deserves every single minute of a 60 year sentence.

That’s ridiculous.

Everyone should be concerned that social media and the cancel culture apparently dictates who gets crucified by the court.

Her crime is really no different than the others in the college scandal. If Felicity got two weeks, then that’s the ballpark for Lori.

Violent criminals serve far less time than what Lori is facing, and that’s absurd.

I think perhaps the best punishment here is leaving her with a serious criminal record that effectively results in her not being able to have a passport/access to traveling to foreign countries along with extensive probation that she must pay for. Make her wear an ankle monitor for a year.

This. Come on people! 60 years??? Are effing kidding me? Your need for vengeance is getting the better of your judgment here.

She deserves several months. A significant fine/restitution, and a LOOOOONG period of tedious community service that she cannot get out of.

60 years is not what the prosecution is actually lobbying for. 60 years is the maximum sentencing if they were considered guilty of all charges and were the masterminds of the racketeering and conspiracy, like Rick Singer facing the same charges. People like Loughlin and Guiannulli who were just gaming the system are only going to get at the lower end of the scale. There are no minimum sentences, so they'll likely end up with something under 5 years (most likely under 2 years) based on the parents that have gone before. However, there was a huge cut to the first round of parents for pleading guilty. It may be in the under 5 years category for the last group who have plead not guilty and fought the system the entire way. However, based other parents caught up in the same scandal, they are looking at 6-24 months imprisonment and a fine of $200K+.

Huneeus paid $300K in bribes, sentenced to 5 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Semprevivo paid $400K in bribes, sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $100K fines.
Sloane paid $250K in bribes (including fake athletic admissions), sentenced to 4 months, 500 hours community service, $95K fines.
Flaxman paid $250K in bribes, $75K for fake test scores, sentenced to 1 month, 250 hours and $50K fines.

these are the biggest fish so far. The difference is that each of these people took one of of the plea bargains and plead guilty. You get lighter sentences when you accept a plea bargain. For those that don't accept the plea bargain and fight to the end and then are found guilty, you get bigger sentencing penalties.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

Nobody? I sure do! And I'm not even an "eat the rich nutbag"--I have no problem with rich people...HONEST rich people.

But yeah. I think Lori deserves every single minute of a 60 year sentence.

That’s ridiculous.

Everyone should be concerned that social media and the cancel culture apparently dictates who gets crucified by the court.

Her crime is really no different than the others in the college scandal. If Felicity got two weeks, then that’s the ballpark for Lori.

Violent criminals serve far less time than what Lori is facing, and that’s absurd.

I think perhaps the best punishment here is leaving her with a serious criminal record that effectively results in her not being able to have a passport/access to traveling to foreign countries along with extensive probation that she must pay for. Make her wear an ankle monitor for a year.

This. Come on people! 60 years??? Are effing kidding me? Your need for vengeance is getting the better of your judgment here.

She deserves several months. A significant fine/restitution, and a LOOOOONG period of tedious community service that she cannot get out of.

And she's going to get several months. Maybe 1-2 years because she dragged this out for forever.

No one thinks she'll get 60 years. We just think she should have admitted her obvious guilt, taken her few weeks in jail, and not pranced in front of the cameras signing AUTOGRAPHS at her initial hearing.

If Lori has anyone to blame in this, its herself.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

Nobody? I sure do! And I'm not even an "eat the rich nutbag"--I have no problem with rich people...HONEST rich people.

But yeah. I think Lori deserves every single minute of a 60 year sentence.

That’s ridiculous.

Everyone should be concerned that social media and the cancel culture apparently dictates who gets crucified by the court.

Her crime is really no different than the others in the college scandal. If Felicity got two weeks, then that’s the ballpark for Lori.

Violent criminals serve far less time than what Lori is facing, and that’s absurd.

I think perhaps the best punishment here is leaving her with a serious criminal record that effectively results in her not being able to have a passport/access to traveling to foreign countries along with extensive probation that she must pay for. Make her wear an ankle monitor for a year.

This. Come on people! 60 years??? Are effing kidding me? Your need for vengeance is getting the better of your judgment here.

She deserves several months. A significant fine/restitution, and a LOOOOONG period of tedious community service that she cannot get out of.

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Anonymous wrote:I say 1 year in prison an $5M fine (10x the bribe). That’s enough to make people sit up and pay attention.

I say a $5M or more fine, but no prison because they aren’t dangerous. Hit them where they care the most- their pocketbooks.

If you want to hit them where they care the most, put them in prison. That hits them in their vanity, pride, reputation and public image. Even the 2 week stint that Felicity Huffman served (she actually only served 11 days), was still a major hit. She's now a convicted felon, and the thing that most people will remember the most about her is that she went to prison. And Lori Loughlin is far more invested in her vanity and pride than Huffman was. Even 2 weeks in the "Club Fed" prison where Huffman served is likely to be a crushing blow to Loughlin's vanity. Since she was already a C-lister to begin with, this would also probably effectively end her Hollywood career. It's far harder to convey that fresh face wholesomeness that was pretty much the only thing that got her hired, when people associate you with being a major cheat, felon and convict.

You're really mean..and wrong. And probably jealous.

No, I'm not. First, Loughlin is worth $6M and her husband is worth $80M and that is only in personal worth, that does not include his future earning potentials as a fashion designer with many lucrative clients (such as Target). $5M is nothing to them.

As for the image and vanity issue, stop and consider. The various families and parents who have plead guilty have shown contrition and remorse and agreed to their penalties. The 19 or so parents who have plead not guilty are defiant and unperturbed by their accusations. There is no remorse and the fact that they have been given three plea bargains and continue to plead not guilty shows that they still feel they have done nothing wrong. After the first charge, she showed up at court, smiling, waving to her fans, signing autographs. She was bring friendly with the prosecution attorneys, still not showing any sign of guilt or remorse. She has played the part of Hollywood starlet and kissed up to the media and fans as if there is nothing in the world wrong. Then she goes home and gives her best Scarlett O'Hara and talks about the stress that she's under. Right.

As for the guilt and remorse, how they can possibly think that they can get off is beyond me. First, there is no misunderstanding that they thought they were going through official channels. The facts are pretty clear that this was not an authorized channeel for donation to the school. Rick Singer was a coach and not a member of the school administration. They paid money to a private non-profit owned by the coach that had no affiliation with the school. They were requested to send photos of the candidates in work-out clothes to simulate being athletes. They were asked to position their children on rowing machines to simulate being crew members. They were being accepted as recruits for a sport that their children had never participated in (really, do you think that collegiate schools offer acceptance into school sporting teams to students who have never participated in that sport?) They specifically sought out Rick Spring as they admitted that they knew that their children's test scores and academic credentials were below the currently accepted standards that the school was accepting. Instead of paying money directly to the institution, like Jared Kushner's father did, they sought out someone who had a reputation for fixing such situations who offered services to parents such as changing standardized test scores, having "proofers" review the kids test scores and change answers before submitting the test forms, claiming learning disabilities to get children accommodations such as extra time for standardized tests, and faking participation in sports for athletic consideration. The emails that have been submitted to the court show an complicit understanding of what was happening and cooperating with what are clearly illegal and unethical methods to game the system. It is very clear that they have extremely weak morals and no remorse or guilt that they did anything wrong, despite all signs clearly showing that they were specifically lying and cheating to gain what they wanted. The vanity and entitlement of the rich.

As for jealous, no I'm not. Not even close. I am not jealous of anyone who gets ahead by lying and cheating.

Two of the charges are highly technical; will be tough to prove beyond reasonable doubt. The third will also be difficult but not impossible .

Risky move, but it could work out in her favor.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

You realize that the 60 years is not a threat. That is just a tally of what the maximum sentence is if they are found guilty of all charges. Essentially it has to assume that not only are the guilty of the charges, but they are explicitly complicit in the conspiracy portion, e.g. that they are the ones that helped to mastermind the fraud. That's the type of penalty that Rick Singer is looking at for the same charges. In this case, as they are not the ringleaders of the conspiracy, they are not going to be anywhere close to the maximum sentencing. However, the prosecutors are using the maximum possible sentence based on federal sentencing guidelines as their threat.

Np- yes, and it seems heavy handed.
There have been some leaked correspondence that Mossimo emailed an accountant regarding the pay off. He described the money used for getting his kids into USC as “working the system”
A legal analyst was trying to spin that as knowledge of fraud. I disagree those words specifically underscore the idea that both Lori and her husband thought this was a legitimate “side door”. I think they will have a strong defense that Singer essentially conned them into the scheme. They aren’t college educated. They didn’t apply to university. They might have a strong defense.

LOL And the prosecution can argue that they weren't so stupid that they didn't have an army of lawyers and business officials go over their contracts for Hollywood productions, TV deals, and the Mossimo brand.

They deliberately hid this little side deal because it was illegal. Not even touching on the daughters posed on sports equipment thing (indictments are coming for the oldest one already - https://people.com/tv/could-lori-loughlin-daughters-be-charged-college-admissions-scandal-legal-experts/).

The fact that both of them are facing 60 years each because they refused to take a deal in Summer 2019 that could have gotten them 6 months in prison shows what narcissists they are.

Their family and their kids are under so much stress because they won't admit they were wrong.

Not a chance. Instead of doing a legitimate donation of $5 or $10 million plus to get their kid into the university they went down the illegal $500,000 bargain basement path.

I think Felicity Huffman had very, very good legal counsel. Her brother is a lawyer. I'm sure her brother told her early on to cut a deal, do the time, pay the fines,
put this behind her and get on with her life.

Apparently Lori Loughlin's lawyers have been counseling her to take a deal from the beginning as well. But she shares co-counsel with her husband who refused.

Oh well, you're going to end up doing time just like Teresa Guidice, listening to a fool.

I know that I shouldn't keep harping on this but when LL was in front of the courthouse signing autographs, I think that really pissed off the prosecutors. I think it was a disgusting display of ego and entitlement. I hope she does at least two months in prison.

I don't think a $5M will matter to them at all. I agree with a PP above... prison time will really hit her where it hurts.

“Working the system” implies they were led to believe it was within the system.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

You realize that the 60 years is not a threat. That is just a tally of what the maximum sentence is if they are found guilty of all charges. Essentially it has to assume that not only are the guilty of the charges, but they are explicitly complicit in the conspiracy portion, e.g. that they are the ones that helped to mastermind the fraud. That's the type of penalty that Rick Singer is looking at for the same charges. In this case, as they are not the ringleaders of the conspiracy, they are not going to be anywhere close to the maximum sentencing. However, the prosecutors are using the maximum possible sentence based on federal sentencing guidelines as their threat.

Np- yes, and it seems heavy handed.
There have been some leaked correspondence that Mossimo emailed an accountant regarding the pay off. He described the money used for getting his kids into USC as “working the system”
A legal analyst was trying to spin that as knowledge of fraud. I disagree those words specifically underscore the idea that both Lori and her husband thought this was a legitimate “side door”. I think they will have a strong defense that Singer essentially conned them into the scheme. They aren’t college educated. They didn’t apply to university. They might have a strong defense.

LOL And the prosecution can argue that they weren't so stupid that they didn't have an army of lawyers and business officials go over their contracts for Hollywood productions, TV deals, and the Mossimo brand.

They deliberately hid this little side deal because it was illegal. Not even touching on the daughters posed on sports equipment thing (indictments are coming for the oldest one already - https://people.com/tv/could-lori-loughlin-daughters-be-charged-college-admissions-scandal-legal-experts/).

The fact that both of them are facing 60 years each because they refused to take a deal in Summer 2019 that could have gotten them 6 months in prison shows what narcissists they are.

Their family and their kids are under so much stress because they won't admit they were wrong.

Not a chance. Instead of doing a legitimate donation of $5 or $10 million plus to get their kid into the university they went down the illegal $500,000 bargain basement path.

I think Felicity Huffman had very, very good legal counsel. Her brother is a lawyer. I'm sure her brother told her early on to cut a deal, do the time, pay the fines,
put this behind her and get on with her life.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FBI and US Attorneys look like heavy-handed lunatics with the 60 years threat. Nobody, not even eat the rich nutbags, want or think she deserves a year let alone 60 in the slammer. Just fine them heavily and give her 6 months. This selective enforcement is such a farce. Let me know when Jared Kushner and his dad are sent to prison for this.

You realize that the 60 years is not a threat. That is just a tally of what the maximum sentence is if they are found guilty of all charges. Essentially it has to assume that not only are the guilty of the charges, but they are explicitly complicit in the conspiracy portion, e.g. that they are the ones that helped to mastermind the fraud. That's the type of penalty that Rick Singer is looking at for the same charges. In this case, as they are not the ringleaders of the conspiracy, they are not going to be anywhere close to the maximum sentencing. However, the prosecutors are using the maximum possible sentence based on federal sentencing guidelines as their threat.

Np- yes, and it seems heavy handed.
There have been some leaked correspondence that Mossimo emailed an accountant regarding the pay off. He described the money used for getting his kids into USC as “working the system”
A legal analyst was trying to spin that as knowledge of fraud. I disagree those words specifically underscore the idea that both Lori and her husband thought this was a legitimate “side door”. I think they will have a strong defense that Singer essentially conned them into the scheme. They aren’t college educated. They didn’t apply to university. They might have a strong defense.

LOL And the prosecution can argue that they weren't so stupid that they didn't have an army of lawyers and business officials go over their contracts for Hollywood productions, TV deals, and the Mossimo brand.

They deliberately hid this little side deal because it was illegal. Not even touching on the daughters posed on sports equipment thing (indictments are coming for the oldest one already - https://people.com/tv/could-lori-loughlin-daughters-be-charged-college-admissions-scandal-legal-experts/).

The fact that both of them are facing 60 years each because they refused to take a deal in Summer 2019 that could have gotten them 6 months in prison shows what narcissists they are.

Their family and their kids are under so much stress because they won't admit they were wrong.

Not a chance. Instead of doing a legitimate donation of $5 or $10 million plus to get their kid into the university they went down the illegal $500,000 bargain basement path.

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Anonymous wrote:I say 1 year in prison an $5M fine (10x the bribe). That’s enough to make people sit up and pay attention.

I say a $5M or more fine, but no prison because they aren’t dangerous. Hit them where they care the most- their pocketbooks.

If you want to hit them where they care the most, put them in prison. That hits them in their vanity, pride, reputation and public image. Even the 2 week stint that Felicity Huffman served (she actually only served 11 days), was still a major hit. She's now a convicted felon, and the thing that most people will remember the most about her is that she went to prison. And Lori Loughlin is far more invested in her vanity and pride than Huffman was. Even 2 weeks in the "Club Fed" prison where Huffman served is likely to be a crushing blow to Loughlin's vanity. Since she was already a C-lister to begin with, this would also probably effectively end her Hollywood career. It's far harder to convey that fresh face wholesomeness that was pretty much the only thing that got her hired, when people associate you with being a major cheat, felon and convict.

You're really mean..and wrong. And probably jealous.

DP. I disagree if you read any of the stories from “sources” she doesn’t sound remorseful AT ALL. Everything is due to her listening to other people, or the prosecutors being mean, or her just wanting the best for her daughters (who doesn’t??). There’s really no indication that she wouldn’t do this again.

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Anonymous wrote:I say 1 year in prison an $5M fine (10x the bribe). That’s enough to make people sit up and pay attention.

I say a $5M or more fine, but no prison because they aren’t dangerous. Hit them where they care the most- their pocketbooks.

If you want to hit them where they care the most, put them in prison. That hits them in their vanity, pride, reputation and public image. Even the 2 week stint that Felicity Huffman served (she actually only served 11 days), was still a major hit. She's now a convicted felon, and the thing that most people will remember the most about her is that she went to prison. And Lori Loughlin is far more invested in her vanity and pride than Huffman was. Even 2 weeks in the "Club Fed" prison where Huffman served is likely to be a crushing blow to Loughlin's vanity. Since she was already a C-lister to begin with, this would also probably effectively end her Hollywood career. It's far harder to convey that fresh face wholesomeness that was pretty much the only thing that got her hired, when people associate you with being a major cheat, felon and convict.

You're really mean..and wrong. And probably jealous.

The person is absolutely right. Paying a fine equal to her bribe, $15K, would have been meaningless. But that two week prison stint changed Felicity Huffman for ever, not to mention affected her financially - her job prospects are slimmer, and she has a record for life.

Lori's going to be worse as she's spending a year or more away and her daughters are vacuous fools who probably won't even visit her (one of Felicity's daughters refused and she was only in prison two weeks!)