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Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

Let me make a sincere reply.

Your friend is highly likely to be brainwashed by conservative media. They probably do not know about the healthcare, tax cuts for the super rich, and undermining of democracy. And if they DO know about those things, they falsely think Democrats have done worse.

They probably listen to Fox, or rightwing radio, or read Breitbart (90% Mercer funded) or the Daily Caller (85% Koch funded).

There's a movie about this, called I think the "Brainwashing of my Dad". To understand your friend, watch that.

Oh, wow. Is this what you think about people who don't blindly agree with your liberal policies? That they're "brainwashed"? I'm an independent, and the responses I've seen from liberals on this site have made me 99% certain I will never vote for a Democrat again. You actually think that those who disagree with you are brainwashed. Just when I thought I'd heard everything.

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Again....which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

Obama signing DACA AFTER telling us DACA is unconstitutional and he doesn't have the power to sign it.

DACA did not actively bring in Central Americans. Try again

Amnesty programs give people hope that they, too, will be granted amnesty. Or their children will, which will then potentially trickle down to them. Amnesty programs increase attempts at illegal entry and overstays.

It’s still not a policy that actively brings in Central Americans. Plus, illegal immigration continued to fall after it was put in place.

Sure it is.

You make the environment more hospitable you are actively bringing them in.

You seem to be struggling with the word "actively". That is not "actively" bringing them in.

I disagree.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/actively

Actively: with the aim of making something happen, rather than just hoping that it will

In this case, the left supports immigration policies with the aim of making something happen.

That is not the aim. And the policies certainly are not actively bringing them in.

Of course they are. And liberal immigration lawyers are *actively* coaching these people regarding what to say when applying for asylum. For some inexplicable reason, liberals DO want these people to enter the country.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know lots of really good Republicans. I know lots of really good Conservatives. I don't know any good people who support Trump. That's the line. You cannot be a good person and a Trump supporter. They are incompatible.

Statements like this just crack me up. PP, you have ZERO idea who voted for Trump. Hint: many, many people that YOU know voted for him. And guess what? They're good people. They simply don't agree with your agenda. That you actually think they would engage you in conversation about their voting choices only emphasizes what an utter imbecile you are.

Agree! I SMH at the liberals here who start off a post with "OK, you Trumpster a-hole racist, tell me......." and then they expect you to lower yourself to engage with someone who talks to you like that.

And you're also right that these sanctimonious liberals who say that you can't be a nice person and a Trump voter would be shocked to learn that some of the nicest, most giving people they know voted for Trump. It doesn't fit their preconceived irrational belief, so they deny it.

If you voted for Trump, deep down something is broken. You are accepting and excusing behavior by the POTUS that is incompatible with "being a nice person". You can give to charity all day long, but you are a phony. There is a disconnect that allows you to compartmentalize being nice to people in your family, your friends, maybe even holding the door for someone at the Starbucks, but not giving a fig about what happens to other people as a result of what this administration is doing.

You support him, you are guilty by association. But enjoy donating those taxes he's saving you.

Wow. So you think I voted for Trump because of tax breaks? I am paying more under him.

I voted for him because I believe his policies will help America survive, unlike the liberal policies that actively work to bring in (and then keep in via sanctuary cities) illegal, illiterate, unskilled Central Americans (reliant on American taxpayers) as a deliberate way of weakening our country because they hate it so much.

Which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

Still waiting for a response on this.

But you will never respond with facts....because you are a focking LIAR. There are no liberal policies that do that.

DP. You must be joking. Liberals are constantly crowing about the NEED to bring in these Central American migrants. Keeping them out is "racist"!! We can't have that. Let them in! If you're actually denying that, then you truly need help.

And while we're waiting on questions to be answered, NO ONE on this thread has yet answered the repeated question: when are you planning on opening your homes to illegal immigrants who need shelter, food, clothing, education, jobs, etc.? I'd really love to know why you're all avoiding that question.

The question is stupid. We don't WANT to let illegal immigrants in. We just don't think building a wall is the answer. There are better ways to stop illegal immigrants that don't involve building expensive wall and aren't inhumane.

Great! Then please share with us these ways to stop illegal immigrants that don't involve building a wall or using tear gas. We're all ears.

Also - we're always called "racists" when we say we don't want to allow illegal immigrants into the U.S. Why aren't liberals also called racists if they feel the same way?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know lots of really good Republicans. I know lots of really good Conservatives. I don't know any good people who support Trump. That's the line. You cannot be a good person and a Trump supporter. They are incompatible.

Statements like this just crack me up. PP, you have ZERO idea who voted for Trump. Hint: many, many people that YOU know voted for him. And guess what? They're good people. They simply don't agree with your agenda. That you actually think they would engage you in conversation about their voting choices only emphasizes what an utter imbecile you are.

Agree! I SMH at the liberals here who start off a post with "OK, you Trumpster a-hole racist, tell me......." and then they expect you to lower yourself to engage with someone who talks to you like that.

And you're also right that these sanctimonious liberals who say that you can't be a nice person and a Trump voter would be shocked to learn that some of the nicest, most giving people they know voted for Trump. It doesn't fit their preconceived irrational belief, so they deny it.

If you voted for Trump, deep down something is broken. You are accepting and excusing behavior by the POTUS that is incompatible with "being a nice person". You can give to charity all day long, but you are a phony. There is a disconnect that allows you to compartmentalize being nice to people in your family, your friends, maybe even holding the door for someone at the Starbucks, but not giving a fig about what happens to other people as a result of what this administration is doing.

You support him, you are guilty by association. But enjoy donating those taxes he's saving you.

Wow. So you think I voted for Trump because of tax breaks? I am paying more under him.

I voted for him because I believe his policies will help America survive, unlike the liberal policies that actively work to bring in (and then keep in via sanctuary cities) illegal, illiterate, unskilled Central Americans (reliant on American taxpayers) as a deliberate way of weakening our country because they hate it so much.

Which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

Still waiting for a response on this.

But you will never respond with facts....because you are a focking LIAR. There are no liberal policies that do that.

DP. You must be joking. Liberals are constantly crowing about the NEED to bring in these Central American migrants. Keeping them out is "racist"!! We can't have that. Let them in! If you're actually denying that, then you truly need help.

And while we're waiting on questions to be answered, NO ONE on this thread has yet answered the repeated question: when are you planning on opening your homes to illegal immigrants who need shelter, food, clothing, education, jobs, etc.? I'd really love to know why you're all avoiding that question.

Again....which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

DP. When are you going to answer the bolded? It's been asked many times over and no one has answered it. That's pretty telling.

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Nobody here has claimed they offered up their personal home, but it has been claimed that liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans."

So, go ahead. Back it up.

This is exactly the point. When liberals are asked exactly how they personally plan to help illegal immigrants, it's radio silence. They've been asked over and over if they would offer up their homes or reach out in any other personal way to help this mass of migrants, and NO ONE WILL ANSWER. So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
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Are you personally backing up conservative talking points? Helping jobless coal miners, say, personally donating your own time to retrain them or spending your own money to pay their rent? I don't mean donating to a charity that assists, because when liberals do that, apparently to you that does not suffice. I mean, what are you doing that you ask of others?

What's your personal, across the board backing for all the conservative talking points?

When you are left answering a question by asking another one - i.e. deflecting - then it's clear you have nothing, nada, zilch. Thanks for playing, though!

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So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
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So when the US was admitting Italians and Irish people, and the equivalent of today's GOP was demonizing them for political advantage (e.g. Charles Linbergh - Am First!)...

Were your ancestors the immigrants?
Or were your ancestors offering up their homes and paying to feed, shelter and clothe the Irish and Italians?

Wow, is that ever an apples and oranges "comparison." My ancestors were neither Italian nor Irish, but that's really beside the point because they were admitted legally - after waiting for years.

This shows that you know quite little about the history of immigration in this country.

Before about 1920, there were few restrictions on immigration. No one waited for years.
And the equivalent of today's GOP demonized those poor immigrants (my ancestors included) for political advantage,
just as the Republican party does today.
So then we passed a law to exclude non-white people.
Hey! Looks a lot like today.

The Immigration Act of 1924, or Johnson–Reed Act, including the National Origins Act, and Asian Exclusion Act (Pub.L. 68–139, 43 Stat. 153, enacted May 26, 1924), was a United States federal law that set quotas on the number of immigrants from certain countries while providing funding and an enforcement mechanism to carry out the longstanding (but hitherto unenforced) ban on other non-white immigrants. The law was primarily aimed at further decreasing immigration of Southern Europe and Jews and Slavs of the Eastern Europe.[1][2][3][4] The law affirmed the longstanding ban on the immigration of other non-white persons, with the exception of black African immigrants (who had long been exempt from the ban). Thus, virtually all Asians were forbidden from immigrating to America under the Act.

According to the U.S. Department of State Office of the Historian the purpose of the act was "to preserve the ideal of American homogeneity".[5] Congressional opposition was minimal. According to Columbia University historian Mae Ngai, the 1924 Act put an end to a period where the United States essentially had open borders.[6]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know lots of really good Republicans. I know lots of really good Conservatives. I don't know any good people who support Trump. That's the line. You cannot be a good person and a Trump supporter. They are incompatible.

Statements like this just crack me up. PP, you have ZERO idea who voted for Trump. Hint: many, many people that YOU know voted for him. And guess what? They're good people. They simply don't agree with your agenda. That you actually think they would engage you in conversation about their voting choices only emphasizes what an utter imbecile you are.

Agree! I SMH at the liberals here who start off a post with "OK, you Trumpster a-hole racist, tell me......." and then they expect you to lower yourself to engage with someone who talks to you like that.

And you're also right that these sanctimonious liberals who say that you can't be a nice person and a Trump voter would be shocked to learn that some of the nicest, most giving people they know voted for Trump. It doesn't fit their preconceived irrational belief, so they deny it.

If you voted for Trump, deep down something is broken. You are accepting and excusing behavior by the POTUS that is incompatible with "being a nice person". You can give to charity all day long, but you are a phony. There is a disconnect that allows you to compartmentalize being nice to people in your family, your friends, maybe even holding the door for someone at the Starbucks, but not giving a fig about what happens to other people as a result of what this administration is doing.

You support him, you are guilty by association. But enjoy donating those taxes he's saving you.

Wow. So you think I voted for Trump because of tax breaks? I am paying more under him.

I voted for him because I believe his policies will help America survive, unlike the liberal policies that actively work to bring in (and then keep in via sanctuary cities) illegal, illiterate, unskilled Central Americans (reliant on American taxpayers) as a deliberate way of weakening our country because they hate it so much.

Which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

Still waiting for a response on this.

But you will never respond with facts....because you are a focking LIAR. There are no liberal policies that do that.

DP. You must be joking. Liberals are constantly crowing about the NEED to bring in these Central American migrants. Keeping them out is "racist"!! We can't have that. Let them in! If you're actually denying that, then you truly need help.

And while we're waiting on questions to be answered, NO ONE on this thread has yet answered the repeated question: when are you planning on opening your homes to illegal immigrants who need shelter, food, clothing, education, jobs, etc.? I'd really love to know why you're all avoiding that question.

Again....which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

DP. When are you going to answer the bolded? It's been asked many times over and no one has answered it. That's pretty telling.

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Nobody here has claimed they offered up their personal home, but it has been claimed that liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans."

So, go ahead. Back it up.

This is exactly the point. When liberals are asked exactly how they personally plan to help illegal immigrants, it's radio silence. They've been asked over and over if they would offer up their homes or reach out in any other personal way to help this mass of migrants, and NO ONE WILL ANSWER. So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
-DP

Are you personally backing up conservative talking points? Helping jobless coal miners, say, personally donating your own time to retrain them or spending your own money to pay their rent? I don't mean donating to a charity that assists, because when liberals do that, apparently to you that does not suffice. I mean, what are you doing that you ask of others?

What's your personal, across the board backing for all the conservative talking points?

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Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

Let me make a sincere reply.

Your friend is highly likely to be brainwashed by conservative media. They probably do not know about the healthcare, tax cuts for the super rich, and undermining of democracy. And if they DO know about those things, they falsely think Democrats have done worse.

They probably listen to Fox, or rightwing radio, or read Breitbart (90% Mercer funded) or the Daily Caller (85% Koch funded).

There's a movie about this, called I think the "Brainwashing of my Dad". To understand your friend, watch that.

Oh, wow. Is this what you think about people who don't blindly agree with your liberal policies? That they're "brainwashed"?

Correct.
They're brainwashed.
Fox lies to them.
There's only two kinds of Republicans -- billionaires, and gullible fools.
If you watch Fox or listen to Hewitt, Levin, Prager, or the rest of the rightwing grifters, sorry... you're disconnected from reality.

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Of course they are. And liberal immigration lawyers are *actively* coaching these people regarding what to say when applying for asylum. For some inexplicable reason, liberals DO want these people to enter the country.

You gotta kick your rightwind media habit. Daily Caller is funded by the Koches to speak to gullible people like yourself, so you'll say stuff like this. Helps the billionaires get white identity votes for their tax cuts, you know. (And you don't get any money from the tax cuts. Just them. Don't be gullible.

Now I dare you - tell me you don't read the Daily Caller. (If you don't I guarantee you read another rightwing-donor funded propaganda source).

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Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

Let me make a sincere reply.

Your friend is highly likely to be brainwashed by conservative media. They probably do not know about the healthcare, tax cuts for the super rich, and undermining of democracy. And if they DO know about those things, they falsely think Democrats have done worse.

They probably listen to Fox, or rightwing radio, or read Breitbart (90% Mercer funded) or the Daily Caller (85% Koch funded).

There's a movie about this, called I think the "Brainwashing of my Dad". To understand your friend, watch that.

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So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
-DP

So when the US was admitting Italians and Irish people, and the equivalent of today's GOP was demonizing them for political advantage (e.g. Charles Linbergh - Am First!)...

Were your ancestors the immigrants?
Or were your ancestors offering up their homes and paying to feed, shelter and clothe the Irish and Italians?

Wow, is that ever an apples and oranges "comparison." My ancestors were neither Italian nor Irish, but that's really beside the point because they were admitted legally - after waiting for years.

The Immigration Act of 1924, or Johnson–Reed Act, including the National Origins Act, and Asian Exclusion Act (Pub.L. 68–139, 43 Stat. 153, enacted May 26, 1924), was a United States federal law that set quotas on the number of immigrants from certain countries while providing funding and an enforcement mechanism to carry out the longstanding (but hitherto unenforced) ban on other non-white immigrants. The law was primarily aimed at further decreasing immigration of Southern Europe and Jews and Slavs of the Eastern Europe.[1][2][3][4] The law affirmed the longstanding ban on the immigration of other non-white persons, with the exception of black African immigrants (who had long been exempt from the ban). Thus, virtually all Asians were forbidden from immigrating to America under the Act.

According to the U.S. Department of State Office of the Historian the purpose of the act was "to preserve the ideal of American homogeneity".[5] Congressional opposition was minimal. According to Columbia University historian Mae Ngai, the 1924 Act put an end to a period where the United States essentially had open borders.[6]

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So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
-DP

So when the US was admitting Italians and Irish people, and the equivalent of today's GOP was demonizing them for political advantage (e.g. Charles Linbergh - Am First!)...

Were your ancestors the immigrants?
Or were your ancestors offering up their homes and paying to feed, shelter and clothe the Irish and Italians?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I know lots of really good Republicans. I know lots of really good Conservatives. I don't know any good people who support Trump. That's the line. You cannot be a good person and a Trump supporter. They are incompatible.

Statements like this just crack me up. PP, you have ZERO idea who voted for Trump. Hint: many, many people that YOU know voted for him. And guess what? They're good people. They simply don't agree with your agenda. That you actually think they would engage you in conversation about their voting choices only emphasizes what an utter imbecile you are.

Agree! I SMH at the liberals here who start off a post with "OK, you Trumpster a-hole racist, tell me......." and then they expect you to lower yourself to engage with someone who talks to you like that.

And you're also right that these sanctimonious liberals who say that you can't be a nice person and a Trump voter would be shocked to learn that some of the nicest, most giving people they know voted for Trump. It doesn't fit their preconceived irrational belief, so they deny it.

If you voted for Trump, deep down something is broken. You are accepting and excusing behavior by the POTUS that is incompatible with "being a nice person". You can give to charity all day long, but you are a phony. There is a disconnect that allows you to compartmentalize being nice to people in your family, your friends, maybe even holding the door for someone at the Starbucks, but not giving a fig about what happens to other people as a result of what this administration is doing.

You support him, you are guilty by association. But enjoy donating those taxes he's saving you.

Wow. So you think I voted for Trump because of tax breaks? I am paying more under him.

I voted for him because I believe his policies will help America survive, unlike the liberal policies that actively work to bring in (and then keep in via sanctuary cities) illegal, illiterate, unskilled Central Americans (reliant on American taxpayers) as a deliberate way of weakening our country because they hate it so much.

Which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

Still waiting for a response on this.

But you will never respond with facts....because you are a focking LIAR. There are no liberal policies that do that.

DP. You must be joking. Liberals are constantly crowing about the NEED to bring in these Central American migrants. Keeping them out is "racist"!! We can't have that. Let them in! If you're actually denying that, then you truly need help.

And while we're waiting on questions to be answered, NO ONE on this thread has yet answered the repeated question: when are you planning on opening your homes to illegal immigrants who need shelter, food, clothing, education, jobs, etc.? I'd really love to know why you're all avoiding that question.

Again....which liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans”? Please be specific.

DP. When are you going to answer the bolded? It's been asked many times over and no one has answered it. That's pretty telling.

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Nobody here has claimed they offered up their personal home, but it has been claimed that liberal policies “actively work to bring in...Central Americans."

So, go ahead. Back it up.

This is exactly the point. When liberals are asked exactly how they personally plan to help illegal immigrants, it's radio silence. They've been asked over and over if they would offer up their homes or reach out in any other personal way to help this mass of migrants, and NO ONE WILL ANSWER. So until you can cough up an *honest* answer about how far you, personally, are willing to go to shelter, feed, clothe, and educate these immigrants (illegal or otherwise), I don't think you deserve an answer to your question, other than liberals certainly aren't doing anything to dissuade these people from insisting on admittance to the U.S.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

Let me make a sincere reply.

Your friend is highly likely to be brainwashed by conservative media. They probably do not know about the healthcare, tax cuts for the super rich, and undermining of democracy. And if they DO know about those things, they falsely think Democrats have done worse.

They probably listen to Fox, or rightwing radio, or read Breitbart (90% Mercer funded) or the Daily Caller (85% Koch funded).

There's a movie about this, called I think the "Brainwashing of my Dad". To understand your friend, watch that.

Oh, wow. Is this what you think about people who don't blindly agree with your liberal policies? That they're "brainwashed"?

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Of course they are. And liberal immigration lawyers are *actively* coaching these people regarding what to say when applying for asylum. For some inexplicable reason, liberals DO want these people to enter the country.

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Anonymous wrote:How can I reconcile their kindness to me one on one with the Republican policies and actions that are taking away people's healthcare, making future generations pay for tax cuts for today's super rich, tainting our supreme court with partisan operatives with a history of sex assault allegations and undermining our democracy with Trump's swampy cabinet and autocratic attitude about attacking the press and obstructing justice?

My post is sincere. I think the modern GOP is basically evil so I am having a hard time understanding how someone can still be a Republican if they are a decent person.

Let me make a sincere reply.

Your friend is highly likely to be brainwashed by conservative media. They probably do not know about the healthcare, tax cuts for the super rich, and undermining of democracy. And if they DO know about those things, they falsely think Democrats have done worse.

They probably listen to Fox, or rightwing radio, or read Breitbart (90% Mercer funded) or the Daily Caller (85% Koch funded).

There's a movie about this, called I think the "Brainwashing of my Dad". To understand your friend, watch that.