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Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

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Anonymous wrote:That isn’t enough though to be a deterrent. The coaches and admin need to be disciplined too. Well, the coaches need to be fired.

Charging them as adults and also disciplining/firing coaches might act as deterrent IMO. At least it would hopefully shock the system out of its' complacency. I am sickened by this crime, truly horrendous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

Anonymous wrote:That isn’t enough though to be a deterrent. The coaches and admin need to be disciplined too. Well, the coaches need to be fired.

Anonymous wrote:It’s so frustrating to me that this discussion has turned into something racial. Like others, I had assumed the perps were white. I was vocal in saying that they should be charged as adults for this crime. Now that we apparently know that the perps were AA, I still think they should be charged as adults. But I guess I’ll be called racist now. Nobody can make everything about race like the people of DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a racial component to this?

No

I thought all of those charged were African American ???

No.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

And if your son had been raped? What would you be posting now?

It’s sad all around but it’s also sick. These kids were showing signs of dysfunction way before this incident happened, yet no one noticed. Poor parenting combined with obsessed coaches . . . Perfect storm

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

True unless the crime is so severe that the juvenile system is not sufficient. They will get reformed with a good stay in prison with other hard core criminals. It may be tough at first, but if they ‘marry’ the right convict they will be protected. And then rethink their actions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.

But that's just the point: fifteen-year-olds are not men. They should not be let off easy, but they are juveniles and we have a juvenile justice system for crimes committed by juveniles.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be a bright line somewhere for age. Not based on how bad the crime was, how outraged people are, how much media exposure it gets, etc. Bright line. Either these kids are judged responsible like adults or they aren't. If they are, then why can't they vote, drive, serve in the military, smoke, drink, sign a lease, etc.? They have the cognitive maturity to be criminals but not to vote against Judy Docca? That doesn't make any sense.

Are you really that dumb or do you have an angle here?

Minors can be charged as adults for murder, or gang rape, because those are outrageous acts that are unfathomable in every normal person's head pretty much from elementary school. Children are taught not to hurt any living creature, not to mention other humans. It is a taboo that should be internalized by minors well before they even try to figure out how to parallel park or sign a lease. If you are religious, you'd know those rules as commandments, but even if you are not, it's just something that goes without saying.

And yes, I believe, there is a "bright line somewhere for age" for minors committing serious crimes. In certain states, it is 13.

Exactly. We teach toddlers that it's not okay to hit or pinch. We teach children that no one can touch you or your private parts without consent.

Do people really think that a violent assault of holding someone down and shoving a broom up a person's anus doesn't fall into any of the categories above that even the littlest of children know, or that somehow 15 year olds get amnesia about how to reasonably treat other human beings?? This was a horrific crime and deserves to be treated as such by the criminal justice system.

If the defendants were white and treated as juveniles, I imagine that most of us would be discussing white privilege. This is an adult crime and deserves to be treated as such. Letting men off easy for rape perpetuates rape culture.