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Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

No one cares about this. They just want to make sure that poor black Jamal who managed to get a 1400 on the SAT while going to an underperforming school and helping his single mom care for his younger siblings doesn't take white, suburban, two-parent household Johnny's slot at UVA, because Johnny took 2 AP classes and got a 1420 on the SAT so he obviously is more deserving.

Your sterotypes about black kids make you sound a bit racist TBH.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post the data that show white students are not going to college because black students took all their spots?

Thanks.

Which poster said white kids aren't going to college because black kids took all their spots?

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post the data that show white students are not going to college because black students took all their spots?

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

No one cares about this. They just want to make sure that poor black Jamal who managed to get a 1400 on the SAT while going to an underperforming school and helping his single mom care for his younger siblings doesn't take white, suburban, two-parent household Johnny's slot at UVA, because Johnny took 2 AP classes and got a 1420 on the SAT so he obviously is more deserving.

Your sterotypes about black kids make you sound a bit racist TBH.

This PP has nothing on the "blacks have no excuse" PP.

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Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

No one cares about this. They just want to make sure that poor black Jamal who managed to get a 1400 on the SAT while going to an underperforming school and helping his single mom care for his younger siblings doesn't take white, suburban, two-parent household Johnny's slot at UVA, because Johnny took 2 AP classes and got a 1420 on the SAT so he obviously is more deserving.

Your sterotypes about black kids make you sound a bit racist TBH.

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Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

You can adjust priorities/money to supplement your child's education to compete with other high achievers. You can't change your child's race.

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

This is the typical defense of the coward. A heinous crime is justified because someone else committed it too. And it's such an exaggeration that blacks were slave owners in America. Even if it was true it pales in comparison to the scale of white slave owners.

Did someone say that slavery was justified? And you are clearly not understanding the point. The point is not that some "blacks were slave owners." The point is that many blacks like to point out that their ancestors were raped by cruel white slaveowners, while conveniently omitting the logical implication that this means that they themselves are descendants of those cruel white slaveowners and are in no position to be condemning other people's ancestry.

So are you saying if a black man rapes your wife and your daughter then your progeny will claim black ancestry as as theirs and celebrate it.

It doesn't matter what they "claim" or "celebrate." If you are the product of a rape, your father is a rapist. It doesn't matter if you "claim" or "celebrate" him. He is your father. You may not like him, but you are his descendent and there is nothing you can do about it. If your white great-great-great grandfather raped your black great-great-great grandmother, you are just as much a descendant of the white rapist as the black victim. He is just as much as part of your family as she is.

My point is not that descendants of bad people should feel ashamed or guilty. I'm just pointing out the common hypocrisy that so much of black identity is based on "white oppressors enslaved/raped by ancestors" when you are often literally descended from those white oppressors yourself. If white people are implicated by what their ancestors did, then so are you.

That would be fine and dandy if the issue at hand where how to fill out the family tree or who to research on ancestry.com. But the issue at hand is whether there is a lasting legacy for descendants of slavery. Are you arguing that people of mixed race have never been victims of discrimination because they can say to the cop who stops them or the bus driver who sends them to the back of the bus or neighborhood association that won't sell them a home, "I'm actually part white, so lucky me! Your discriminatory rules don't apply!" ??

I'm not denying that AAs have suffered post-slavery. I'm just pointing out the fallacy when AAs try to play the "your ancestors enslaved/raped my ancestors" card. Those are your ancestors too. I am aware that AAs have suffered from discrimination long after emancipation.

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Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

No one cares about this. They just want to make sure that poor black Jamal who managed to get a 1400 on the SAT while going to an underperforming school and helping his single mom care for his younger siblings doesn't take white, suburban, two-parent household Johnny's slot at UVA, because Johnny took 2 AP classes and got a 1420 on the SAT so he obviously is more deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash -- first generation college applicants (regardless of race) get a huge boost for admissions at top schools. So enough with this poor white man son story.

https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/hear-our-students/first-generation-students

^ sob story

Yep. As I said previously, affirmative action for black students is not what is keeping poor white kids out of Harvard. We spend a lot of time focused on test scores by race, but I bet if we looked at them by income, we'd see that at any given test score/GPA combo at elite schools, poor kids have higher admission rates than wealthy kids.

You're objectively wrong. The poor black kid has two hooks whilst the poor white kid only has one. So there is an inherent advantage and have you ever looked at the admissions stats that elite colleges post on their websites and tout in their admissions presentations? You see admissions by race proudly trotted out front and center and somewhere down the list is first gen college student which is not a great correlation with income but it's the best proxy that you're going to find.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be a stupid question, but will HBCUs be prohibited from taking race into account for admissions?

I hate to answer a question with a question but humor me...
Why would little Johnny want to go to North Carolina A&T when he's got the grades and test scores to go to Duke and no longer has to worry about being shunned in favor of some minority applicant?
Why would little Jenny's parents want their daughter to go to North Carolina A&T when in all likelihood they're "uncomfortable" with the idea of their blue eyed angel being around all those "thugs" and "rapists"?

This is actually interesting and quite telling, when you consider that some HBCUs have stellar academic reputations (e.g. Howard). As college admissions to elite schools have gotten tighter across the board, have HBCUs seen an uptick in white applicants? I don't know, but it would be interesting to find out.

Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

Anonymous wrote:I mentioned this before in this thread, but it bears repeating that there have been studies on what happens if you remove affirmative action from college admissions. The only race that benefits are Asians. For white people it's a wash.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash -- first generation college applicants (regardless of race) get a huge boost for admissions at top schools. So enough with this poor white man son story.

https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/hear-our-students/first-generation-students

^ sob story

Yep. As I said previously, affirmative action for black students is not what is keeping poor white kids out of Harvard. We spend a lot of time focused on test scores by race, but I bet if we looked at them by income, we'd see that at any given test score/GPA combo at elite schools, poor kids have higher admission rates than wealthy kids.[/quote
You're objectively wrong. The poor black kid has two hooks whilst the poor white kid only has one. So there is an inherent advantage and have you ever looked at the admissions stats that elite colleges post on their websites and tout in their admissions presentations? You see admissions by race proudly trotted out front and center and somewhere down the list is first gen college student which is not a great correlation with income but it's the best proxy that you're going to find.

There are way more poor white kids than poor black kids. Even if the poor black kid has an extra advantage, there are only so many qualified poor black kids to fill up admissions slots. There are way more poor white kids to fill them, objectively speaking.