Anonymous wrote:... Because our country has more and different problems than penis and vagina cake? Because the special needs of gay couples weddings are not relevant to being POTUS? And they say Republicans are dumb?

Anonymous wrote:Do the middle/lower class folks who support him realize at all that he will cut social services via reduction in taxes to the rich? Do people not realize that he is a special interest group all to himself? What's the saying... "can't see the forest for the trees". People are hung up on illegal immigration, and think fixing this is the panacea for what's wrong with America. What's wrong with America is corporate greed, to which Trump is a part of.

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

This. The gay couple asked for the same type of wedding cake that the bakery has made for every other couple, no penis cake. And frankly I'd wager that gay couples getting married would find a penis cake quite distasteful.

I love that libs are not content with just granting gay rights but actually want to force it down people's throats by forcing people who are disgusted by it to bake gay-themed cakes. What is this, indentured servitude to the enlightened government bureaucrats? What happened to the freedom to choose what you will and won't do.

If you're a baker who doesn't want to serve the public then don't open a storefront to serve the public.

I think there's a difference between saying "I'm not going to sell ANY cakes to people I don't like" and "I'm not going to put messages on cakes that I disagree with." What if a neonazi couple was getting married and asked that the baker put a swastika on the cake?

Let's start with the fact that marriage is a constitutional right that cannot be denied if a couple are of mixed races or the same sexes. In my experience, wedding cakes (including a groon's cake) aren't inscribed with messages or symbols, whether political or otherwise so your hypothetical seems to be out of pretty far out of the norm. That said, it comes down to whether "neo-Nazis" are a protected class under state or local anti-discrimination laws.

Marriage is not a constitutional right, for either sex

Actually it is, according the supreme court. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia But of course it shouldn't be, since "substantive due process" is an absurd concept.

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

Did they ask for a custom wedding cake or want to buy one off the shelf in the case?

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

This. The gay couple asked for the same type of wedding cake that the bakery has made for every other couple, no penis cake. And frankly I'd wager that gay couples getting married would find a penis cake quite distasteful.

I love that libs are not content with just granting gay rights but actually want to force it down people's throats by forcing people who are disgusted by it to bake gay-themed cakes. What is this, indentured servitude to the enlightened government bureaucrats? What happened to the freedom to choose what you will and won't do.

If you're a baker who doesn't want to serve the public then don't open a storefront to serve the public.

I think there's a difference between saying "I'm not going to sell ANY cakes to people I don't like" and "I'm not going to put messages on cakes that I disagree with." What if a neonazi couple was getting married and asked that the baker put a swastika on the cake?

Let's start with the fact that marriage is a constitutional right that cannot be denied if a couple are of mixed races or the same sexes. In my experience, wedding cakes (including a groon's cake) aren't inscribed with messages or symbols, whether political or otherwise so your hypothetical seems to be out of pretty far out of the norm. That said, it comes down to whether "neo-Nazis" are a protected class under state or local anti-discrimination laws.

Marriage is not a constitutional right, for either sex

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

This. The gay couple asked for the same type of wedding cake that the bakery has made for every other couple, no penis cake. And frankly I'd wager that gay couples getting married would find a penis cake quite distasteful.

I love that libs are not content with just granting gay rights but actually want to force it down people's throats by forcing people who are disgusted by it to bake gay-themed cakes. What is this, indentured servitude to the enlightened government bureaucrats? What happened to the freedom to choose what you will and won't do.

If you're a baker who doesn't want to serve the public then don't open a storefront to serve the public.

I think there's a difference between saying "I'm not going to sell ANY cakes to people I don't like" and "I'm not going to put messages on cakes that I disagree with." What if a neonazi couple was getting married and asked that the baker put a swastika on the cake?

Let's start with the fact that marriage is a constitutional right that cannot be denied if a couple are of mixed races or the same sexes. In my experience, wedding cakes (including a groon's cake) aren't inscribed with messages or symbols, whether political or otherwise so your hypothetical seems to be out of pretty far out of the norm. That said, it comes down to whether "neo-Nazis" are a protected class under state or local anti-discrimination laws.

Marriage is not a constitutional right, for either sex

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

This. The gay couple asked for the same type of wedding cake that the bakery has made for every other couple, no penis cake. And frankly I'd wager that gay couples getting married would find a penis cake quite distasteful.

I love that libs are not content with just granting gay rights but actually want to force it down people's throats by forcing people who are disgusted by it to bake gay-themed cakes. What is this, indentured servitude to the enlightened government bureaucrats? What happened to the freedom to choose what you will and won't do.

If you're a baker who doesn't want to serve the public then don't open a storefront to serve the public.

I think there's a difference between saying "I'm not going to sell ANY cakes to people I don't like" and "I'm not going to put messages on cakes that I disagree with." What if a neonazi couple was getting married and asked that the baker put a swastika on the cake?

What "message" are you referring to?

Can you tell me whether this is a "gay" wedding cake or not?

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

This. The gay couple asked for the same type of wedding cake that the bakery has made for every other couple, no penis cake. And frankly I'd wager that gay couples getting married would find a penis cake quite distasteful.

I love that libs are not content with just granting gay rights but actually want to force it down people's throats by forcing people who are disgusted by it to bake gay-themed cakes. What is this, indentured servitude to the enlightened government bureaucrats? What happened to the freedom to choose what you will and won't do.

If you're a baker who doesn't want to serve the public then don't open a storefront to serve the public.

I think there's a difference between saying "I'm not going to sell ANY cakes to people I don't like" and "I'm not going to put messages on cakes that I disagree with." What if a neonazi couple was getting married and asked that the baker put a swastika on the cake?

Let's start with the fact that marriage is a constitutional right that cannot be denied if a couple are of mixed races or the same sexes. In my experience, wedding cakes (including a groon's cake) aren't inscribed with messages or symbols, whether political or otherwise so your hypothetical seems to be out of pretty far out of the norm. That said, it comes down to whether "neo-Nazis" are a protected class under state or local anti-discrimination laws.

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Anonymous wrote:No one ever said that non-discrimination laws apply only to Christian businesses. That is the point - it is just a bakery, it isn't a church. All bakeries should treat all customers fairly. The reason you know about the Christian businesses that were sued for discriminating is because they immediately went to Fox News and right wing websites and started GoFundMe campaigns to cash in on their martyrdom.

You hav nothing to cash in on if you aren't being fined, threatened, etc.

Were the Muslim bakers subjected to the same treatment?

I said all bakers should treat all customers fairly. How hard is that to understand.

What if the gays came in and wanted a double phallus shaped cake? Can the baker refuse? I hope so, but the PC/so called "Civil Rights commission" police would probably disagree.

What if a heterosexual couple wanted a penis in a vagina cake? Can the baker refuse? Of course. No one is saying bakers have to make obscene-shaped cakes, but if a baker makes penis or vagina cakes for heterosexuals then the baker should make a similar cake if requested by a homosexual couple. But that is not what the issue has been anywhere. The issue is bakers who refused to sell a wedding cake for a gay wedding. They did not ask for a gay cake. They asked for a wedding cake. Do you not understand the difference?

Why is every conservative argument on this forum an exercise in making stupidly faulty straw man analogies rather than arguing the actual questions at hand?

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Anonymous wrote:There are a few Trump signs in our very diverse neighborhood. I'm sort of offended by the signs. I was actually pondering going out at 3am and disposing of them. But I don't need to end up in jail over this....

"I'm sort of offended by the signs." Good.

Oh, would you please come by at 0300 to vandalize our property? Your first stop will be an emergency department with a rump full of birdshot. Then jail.

But that'd just waste a good birdshot shell. I'd make you eat worms and send you home minus your pants.

If you are anything more than a blowhard, you will post your address so that someone can accept your challenge.

Post your own address, progressive maggot.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a few Trump signs in our very diverse neighborhood. I'm sort of offended by the signs. I was actually pondering going out at 3am and disposing of them. But I don't need to end up in jail over this....

"I'm sort of offended by the signs." Good.

Oh, would you please come by at 0300 to vandalize our property? Your first stop will be an emergency department with a rump full of birdshot. Then jail.

But that'd just waste a good birdshot shell. I'd make you eat worms and send you home minus your pants.

If you are anything more than a blowhard, you will post your address so that someone can accept your challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a few Trump signs in our very diverse neighborhood. I'm sort of offended by the signs. I was actually pondering going out at 3am and disposing of them. But I don't need to end up in jail over this....

"I'm sort of offended by the signs." Good.

Oh, would you please come by at 0300 to vandalize our property? Your first stop will be an emergency department with a rump full of birdshot. Then jail.

But that'd just waste a good birdshot shell. I'd make you eat worms and send you home minus your pants.