Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 17:06     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The people of Charleston are teaching the rest of our nation how to come together in the face of tragedy, racism, and hate.
If only the rest of our country could be as loving and forgiving as these folks have been.


White woman here and I will get flamed for this but I think they and others like them are too quick to forgive. All this Jesus bullshit is obscuring the cold blooded nature of what this young man did. I don't care if he was poor. I don't care if he lived in his car. The reality is EVEN with all of those deficits in his background, his odds for success in this country were many times better than those innocent people he gunned down in cold blood.


They are not saying that he shouldn’t pay for his crimes. They just know that hate in one’s heart leads to a horrible life. They are Christians and believe in forgiveness.
And, this “Jesus bullshit,” as you call it, is one of the tenets of Christianity. Even Jesus forgave his killers.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:50     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/


Perry thinks the murders had three causes, drugs, hate, and, uh, uh, uh, opps.


Actually he said no one had all the facts yet but talked about a theory, but he called the act evil and cowardly.


well that took tremendous courage for him to say


*sarcasm*^^
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:50     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/


Perry thinks the murders had three causes, drugs, hate, and, uh, uh, uh, opps.


Actually he said no one had all the facts yet but talked about a theory, but he called the act evil and cowardly.


well that took tremendous courage for him to say
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:47     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:The people of Charleston are teaching the rest of our nation how to come together in the face of tragedy, racism, and hate.
If only the rest of our country could be as loving and forgiving as these folks have been.


White woman here and I will get flamed for this but I think they and others like them are too quick to forgive. All this Jesus bullshit is obscuring the cold blooded nature of what this young man did. I don't care if he was poor. I don't care if he lived in his car. The reality is EVEN with all of those deficits in his background, his odds for success in this country were many times better than those innocent people he gunned down in cold blood.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:37     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.



You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.


That's all fine and good, but if the judge violates the rules of criminal procedure by allowing a victim impact statement during arraignment then it's hardly worth it. Now perhaps the victim impact statement is allowable in SC to gauge severity of the crime in assessing bail--someone from the SC bar will have answer that--because I don't know.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:21     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/


Perry thinks the murders had three causes, drugs, hate, and, uh, uh, uh, opps.


Actually he said no one had all the facts yet but talked about a theory, but he called the act evil and cowardly.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:20     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:The people of Charleston are teaching the rest of our nation how to come together in the face of tragedy, racism, and hate.
If only the rest of our country could be as loving and forgiving as these folks have been.


Absolutely. My DH and I are simply marveling at every person they have interviewed on the news. So amazing, so full of grace in such a devastating situation. We are not so graceful, I hate to say. We are very angry at the racism and hate.

(Since I was just reading a thread where SOME black people feel like "most" white people are racist, I feel the need to mention that we are white, and both very outspoken against racism in all it's forms.)
jsteele
Post 06/19/2015 16:20     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/


Perry thinks the murders had three causes, drugs, hate, and, uh, uh, uh, opps.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 16:17     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/


Again right in the article:
He may have been referring to a theory the conspiracy website Infowars posted about on Thursday that postulated Roof may have been taking a drug called suboxone, which supposedly causes personalities to change and prompt violent outbursts in its users.

Perry also called the incident “a crime of hate.”


Again, did you even watch the interview or read the article.

I agree accident was a poor choice of words, but in context (if you watch the interview) he was referring to any time there is an incident with the gun. He didn't say the 9 people in charleston were accidentally killed. He stated his opinion that he feels even if you take away all the guns, crimes like this will happen, because of their motivation.


In the interview Perry called the act, evil and cowardly. He continually called it out as a hate crime.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:59     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Rick Perry has chimed in. It was "an accident". Well, that is a relief.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/19/3672122/rick-perry-says-obama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:58     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
The people of Charleston are teaching the rest of our nation how to come together in the face of tragedy, racism, and hate.
If only the rest of our country could be as loving and forgiving as these folks have been.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:55     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.



You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

AMEN
AMEN
AMEN
That these families did this is of no surprise to me.


I always have empathy for a perpetrator's family. Of course the victim's families trump that, but still. As horrible as what he did was (and it was) and even though he is still alive, they have still "lost" him, they have to mourn the boy they thought he was. They will always be branded by his actions. They will have memories of their precious chubby cheeked drooly little baby and then remember that he grew up to murder 9 people in cold blood. They will have guilt, they will question everything they ever did while raising him. I have empathy for them, even if they don't deserve it.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:49     Subject: Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shame on the judge for making those remarks as if we should be sorry for the suspects parents. He did not need to make those statements while there were family members of the deceased in the courtroom.



You all don’t get it. These people who have lost loved ones are people of faith. In fact, Charleston has an abundance of people of faith. These people understand repentance and the need for forgiveness. The families of the victims would be some of the first to take the parents of this killer in their arms and mourn with them. Did you not hear these family members tell the killer that they forgive them and hope he seeks God love? The family members are in such pain, but they are God-fearing people who know how hate can eat them up. And, by the way, the judge did NOT ask people to feel sorry for the parents - he said they need support.

AMEN
AMEN
AMEN
That these families did this is of no surprise to me.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:40     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point out any media outlets ... or even DCUM posters for that matter ... that are denying this was racially motivated? I see that being thrown around like a straw man - to imply that whites don't acknowledge racism, I guess - but I don't actually see anyone denying this was a hate crime.

Forgive me for not reading 30 pages of this thread ... just the last 5 or 6 pages include numerous assertions that people are somehow denying the racial element here ... though those assertions are usually in posts related to genetic deficiencies and 'crazy ass white boys' so I suppose I should take them with a grain of salt.


Here is another clueless Republican presidential candidate. This time, Jeb Bush. Roof tells the victims he is going to kill them because they are black and confesses to police that he hoped to start a race war. Here is what Bush says:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/jeb-bush-charleston_n_7621438.html

"I don't know what was on the mind or the heart of the man who committed these atrocious crimes," the former Florida governor said at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference.


From the article:
UPDATE, 6/19, 12:05 p.m. -- The Huffington Post asked Jeb Bush on Friday whether the shooting was racially motivated. "It was a horrific act and I don't know what the background of it is, but it was an act of hatred," Bush said.

Asked again whether the shooting was because of race, Bush added, "I don't know. Looks like to me it was, but we'll find out all the information. It's clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is."


Not sure how making a statement and calling the crimes atrocious is clueless. Then when more facts came out about it being racially motivated he said "Looks like to me it was".

No where is he making excuses or denying this. He isn't even bringing up the mentally ill aspect. He is calling it out as horrific, which it was.

I think you are just looking to point fingers at republicans here.


+1000 He is waiting for the facts - unlike what our current Commander-in-Chief did when he accused the police of “acting stupidly.”
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2015 15:37     Subject: Re:Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point out any media outlets ... or even DCUM posters for that matter ... that are denying this was racially motivated? I see that being thrown around like a straw man - to imply that whites don't acknowledge racism, I guess - but I don't actually see anyone denying this was a hate crime.

Forgive me for not reading 30 pages of this thread ... just the last 5 or 6 pages include numerous assertions that people are somehow denying the racial element here ... though those assertions are usually in posts related to genetic deficiencies and 'crazy ass white boys' so I suppose I should take them with a grain of salt.


Here is another clueless Republican presidential candidate. This time, Jeb Bush. Roof tells the victims he is going to kill them because they are black and confesses to police that he hoped to start a race war. Here is what Bush says:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/jeb-bush-charleston_n_7621438.html

"I don't know what was on the mind or the heart of the man who committed these atrocious crimes," the former Florida governor said at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference.


And here is the update to the article - on the link provided....

The Huffington Post asked Jeb Bush on Friday whether the shooting was racially motivated. "It was a horrific act and I don't know what the background of it is, but it was an act of hatred," Bush said.

Asked again whether the shooting was because of race, Bush added, "I don't know. Looks like to me it was, but we'll find out all the information. It's clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is."