Anonymous wrote:Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

Common Core doesn't "exclude" and it does in fact take the lack of critical thinking - in fact, CC places a pretty big emphasis on teaching students critical thinking and analytical skills and helping students develop those skills -

http://novemberlearning.com/educational-resources-for-educators/understanding-common-core-state-standards/

http://www.corestandards.org/what-parents-should-know/

http://www.edutopia.org/blog/common-core-in-action-critical-thinking-questioning-heather-wolpert-gawron

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

I'd like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country opposes the Common Core standards. Actually, I'd also like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country knows what the Common Core standards are (and "a socialist government takeover of our children's freedom" does not count as a correct answer).

But yes, it's quite possible that 75% of the country has it all wrong. It wouldn't be the only case. For example, 73% of the country believes either that God created human beings in their present form or that God guided human evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

Well you just showed your ass PP. You're despicable truly. Out of the mouths of Atheists....

PP posts hard facts and the religious anti-CC righty has a complete meltdown. Classic.

Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

I'd like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country opposes the Common Core standards. Actually, I'd also like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country knows what the Common Core standards are (and "a socialist government takeover of our children's freedom" does not count as a correct answer).

But yes, it's quite possible that 75% of the country has it all wrong. It wouldn't be the only case. For example, 73% of the country believes either that God created human beings in their present form or that God guided human evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

Well you just showed your ass PP. You're despicable truly. Out of the mouths of Atheists....

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

NP. The literacy rate in this country is sad, even amongst HS graduates. This has been a well established fact for years. This is probably not the case in the DMV area since this area is one of the more highly educated area in the US, but this is just a small part of the US. We may want to stick our collective heads in the sand and say, well, we don't have a problem here so why mess with things, but the truth is we are part of the US, and how the *entire* generation of kids are educated in this country will affect all of us.

Many parents probably don't complain a lot about it because they themselves aren't highly literate.

http://literacyprojectfoundation.org/community/statistics/

Stats from above link:

California
- According to the 2007 (pre Common Core) California Academic Performance Index, research show that 57% of students failed the California Standards Test in English.
- There are six million students in the California school system and 25% of those students are unable to perform basic reading skills

The Nation
- In a study of literacy among 20 ‘high income’ countries; US ranked 12th
- Illiteracy has become such a serious problem in our country that 44 million adults are now unable to read a simple story to their children
- 50% of adults cannot read a book written at an eighth grade level. (I'm pretty sure more than 50% of adults have been educated beyond the 8th grade)
- 45 million are functionally illiterate and read below a 5th grade level

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

I'd like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country opposes the Common Core standards. Actually, I'd also like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country knows what the Common Core standards are (and "a socialist government takeover of our children's freedom" does not count as a correct answer).

But yes, it's quite possible that 75% of the country has it all wrong. It wouldn't be the only case. For example, 73% of the country believes either that God created human beings in their present form or that God guided human evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

You aren't helping your case here, going after people's belief in God, of all things.

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

I'd like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country opposes the Common Core standards. Actually, I'd also like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country knows what the Common Core standards are (and "a socialist government takeover of our children's freedom" does not count as a correct answer).

But yes, it's quite possible that 75% of the country has it all wrong. It wouldn't be the only case. For example, 73% of the country believes either that God created human beings in their present form or that God guided human evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Oh now THAT is a huge crock of SHIT and you know it! What the hell are you talking about? If that were the case there would not be this kind of backlash - and just on DCUM. This is a nationwide backlash. So what you're telling us is that 75% of the country - the anti-CC crowd, has it all wrong. That we are just ignorant and didn't realize that the previous system was so messed up?! I could understand a fair amount of clueless parents but NOT clueless teachers.

Let me guess, you work for the Gates Foundation, or you own a fair amount of worthless Microsoft stock.

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a result of the lousy or in some cases non-existent standards, lack of metrics, and lack of accountability that existed PRIOR to Common Core.

Common Core is a baseline, a starting point. The people complaining the loudest about Common Core generally do not understand that what we had prior to Common Core was actually considerably worse than Common Core. The critics of Common Core want to blame the fact that kids are graduating from high school barely able to read or make change, when that's a result of

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This whole thread seems to consist of some clueless dolt whining and looking like a fool doing it.

Yes. She cannot understand why we don't think that Common Core is the answer to all problems in education and society.

I don't think you will find one single person that thinks this. People who think CC standards are a good thing don't necessarily think it's a panacea to our educational woes, only that having standards across the board is a good thing, and a good start.

This whole thread seems to consist of some clueless dolt whining and looking like a fool doing it.

Yes. She cannot understand why we don't think that Common Core is the answer to all problems in education and society.

This whole thread seems to consist of some clueless dolt whining and looking like a fool doing it.

. In the case of CC standards for kids, if they are not able to meet the standards, they need additional help.

They already get it. IEP's.

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The Common Core is standards. Only that. Just standards. The Common Core is not a curriculum, or administration, or accommodation for special education. How to accommodate students in special education is up to the state, the school district, and the school, in compliance with the various federal and state laws and regulations.

Therefore, the standards mean nothing. Just a lot of time and money and frustration. Helps no one.

How do standards mean nothing? We have standards for lots of things: safety standards for cars, baby gear; in my line of work, we have coding standards. There are ISO standards. In these instances, when something or someone doesn't follow the standards, it is not considered acceptable so they are reworked. In the case of CC standards for kids, if they are not able to meet the standards, they need additional help.

Having some set of standards are important to make sure most kids are able to meet some basic standard.