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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

Sounds nice conceptually, but agencies are 100% going to be monitoring network activity, badge swipes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

The Treasury Secretary has already stated that it is a questionable security practice to have people telework. So that sounds like we should never telework for the safety of the nation.

They can't have it both ways.

There’s what…a snow day a year? 😂 This response is literally so childish it’s what my children actually do. “Oh well if you’re going to do that then I’m going to do <insert something very benign>”

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

I'm not going to bat for people that want to play games.

I'm more than willing to cover for people who need to take off early to pick up a kid and have no issues signing their time sheet that they did the required time in office. But play the game of "oh, I'm not signing the telework form, you can't have it both ways" and I'm going to treat you like a child until you quit or find a new job. Enjoy sitting at your desk for 8 hours and 30 minutes every single day. I'll be having formal counseling if I see you leave even 10 minutes early to beat traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

NP and at least at my agency they randomly audit badge data in and out so it's not even the supervisor that is monitoring for compliance. If you guys don't have to swipe in and out you could get away with that I suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

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Looks like remote work is truly over for the most part

Interesting that there is a section for bringing cbas into compliance (subsection (c)). They are also asking for the background for the the cbas came into being so perhaps trying to nullify them. Seems also like they will heavily scrutinize them either for loopholes or order agencies to breach them. Even if they lose by the time that happens some people might quit.

Did new employees in the probationary period receive Fridays email about RTO?

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

The Treasury Secretary has already stated that it is a questionable security practice to have people telework. So that sounds like we should never telework for the safety of the nation.

They can't have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:We're all coming back in - no question about that. The thing that's still up in the air is situational telework and what will be allowed. We're hearing rumors about it being everything from nothing but emergency weather situations to a pre-approved list of situations that supervisors have blanket authority to use when approving requests (i.e., working before/after a doctor's appointment).

Unless you are schedule F'd.

Or ran DEI programs, or you are an IG.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If I have no telework agreement and the office is closed, I am on admin leave (weather and safety leave) because my employer is the one that made working impossible. If your supervisor said something else, I'd ask HR to clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

No one would be playing a game with you, goodness. They would literally be following the new policy. You’d really jump down someone’s throat for going by the rules? I’m glad you’re not my supervisor.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

I'm just not taking my computer home anymore. Without a telework agreement, I don't even think I'm allowed to.

Anonymous wrote:We're all coming back in - no question about that. The thing that's still up in the air is situational telework and what will be allowed. We're hearing rumors about it being everything from nothing but emergency weather situations to a pre-approved list of situations that supervisors have blanket authority to use when approving requests (i.e., working before/after a doctor's appointment).

Unless you are schedule F'd.