Anonymous
03/07/2024 02:13
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Is the bus garage thread the new bike lanes thread? Pick a boring topic and go on for 400 pages
Anonymous
03/06/2024 23:27
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
I live about 1.5 blocks from both the current bus site and the L&T site and definitely think it's better to move the bus garage off of Wisconsin -- not because it'll make the property more valuable for developers, though it will, but because I'd rather have a commercial/residential building that might have stuff I want to do on Wisconsin than a bus garage, and I'd rather have a bus garage than an empty department store on the L&T site. I don't see the problem with having electric buses near houses, anyway.
All of the units are still not let and after just a short period City Ridge is losing its anchor office tenant. In time the units may be rented but there is no question that upper NW is becoming overbuilt for market rate one bedroom inits. So why feverish push to densify neighborhoods across Ward 3?
Apartment buildings should never be fully 100% leased. Just like there should never be zero properties for sale. If that happens, it's a sign that the market isn't working.
Also, looking at the floor plans of the 1 BR/1BA apartments - wow, this article about the inflexibility of double-loaded corridor design really makes sense. https://www.centerforbuilding.org/blog/we-we-cant-build-family-sized-apartments-in-north-america
The units are ridiculously small.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 21:58
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
One thing that is surprising and a bit disappointing about City Ridge and Upton Place next door is that they don’t connect or relate to each other. They were planned around the same time and constructed close on time to each other. Although both were matter of right, they required access permits, etc that would have been a good opportunity for DC to encourage pedestrian circulation between the two developments, similar street scape treatments, and other design synergies.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 14:48
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I read yesterday that part of the new development at Upton Place will be used as a “temporary hotel” until more of the space is leased. That could be a long time given that City Ridge next door is still not leased after nearly two years. Why are we planning for thousands more expensive apartments in this part of town? The demand is not there.
Next thing we know, Bowser will be leasing units at “Upscale Place” for more vouchers.
I doubt that. In other areas it is the older buildings, esp the ones that include utilities, that are moving in voucher tenants. Park West in Van Ness is not. I don't imagine City Ridge or Upton Place will either.
The restaurant at City Ridge seems to have an awful lot of available reservations as well. Without an anchor tenant in office 5 days/week and relatively full rentals, not sure the business model will succeed. Curious if prices for paying tenants will drop?
Anonymous
03/06/2024 14:44
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:I read yesterday that part of the new development at Upton Place will be used as a “temporary hotel” until more of the space is leased. That could be a long time given that City Ridge next door is still not leased after nearly two years. Why are we planning for thousands more expensive apartments in this part of town? The demand is not there.
Agree. And doubt there is much demand for a "pop up" hotel either.
Many units in NoMA that were to be condos have been converted to rentals. Thousands more in the pipeline.
Demand is flat. Prices are not yet dropping.
Does Upton Place have any of the retail leased yet?
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:25
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
I live about 1.5 blocks from both the current bus site and the L&T site and definitely think it's better to move the bus garage off of Wisconsin -- not because it'll make the property more valuable for developers, though it will, but because I'd rather have a commercial/residential building that might have stuff I want to do on Wisconsin than a bus garage, and I'd rather have a bus garage than an empty department store on the L&T site. I don't see the problem with having electric buses near houses, anyway.
All of the units are still not let and after just a short period City Ridge is losing its anchor office tenant. In time the units may be rented but there is no question that upper NW is becoming overbuilt for market rate one bedroom inits. So why feverish push to densify neighborhoods across Ward 3?
Apartment buildings should never be fully 100% leased. Just like there should never be zero properties for sale. If that happens, it's a sign that the market isn't working.
Also, looking at the floor plans of the 1 BR/1BA apartments - wow, this article about the inflexibility of double-loaded corridor design really makes sense. https://www.centerforbuilding.org/blog/we-we-cant-build-family-sized-apartments-in-north-america
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:19
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
I live about 1.5 blocks from both the current bus site and the L&T site and definitely think it's better to move the bus garage off of Wisconsin -- not because it'll make the property more valuable for developers, though it will, but because I'd rather have a commercial/residential building that might have stuff I want to do on Wisconsin than a bus garage, and I'd rather have a bus garage than an empty department store on the L&T site. I don't see the problem with having electric buses near houses, anyway.
All of the units are still not let and after just a short period City Ridge is losing its anchor office tenant. In time the units may be rented but there is no question that upper NW is becoming overbuilt for market rate one bedroom inits. So why feverish push to densify neighborhoods across Ward 3?
Losing the IB had nothing to do with anything other than the post-covid workplace environment is changing.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:16
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
I live about 1.5 blocks from both the current bus site and the L&T site and definitely think it's better to move the bus garage off of Wisconsin -- not because it'll make the property more valuable for developers, though it will, but because I'd rather have a commercial/residential building that might have stuff I want to do on Wisconsin than a bus garage, and I'd rather have a bus garage than an empty department store on the L&T site. I don't see the problem with having electric buses near houses, anyway.
All of the units are still not let and after just a short period City Ridge is losing its anchor office tenant. In time the units may be rented but there is no question that upper NW is becoming overbuilt for market rate one bedroom inits. So why feverish push to densify neighborhoods across Ward 3?
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:11
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:I read yesterday that part of the new development at Upton Place will be used as a “temporary hotel” until more of the space is leased. That could be a long time given that City Ridge next door is still not leased after nearly two years. Why are we planning for thousands more expensive apartments in this part of town? The demand is not there.
Next thing we know, Bowser will be leasing units at “Upscale Place” for more vouchers.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 09:33
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:I read yesterday that part of the new development at Upton Place will be used as a “temporary hotel” until more of the space is leased. That could be a long time given that City Ridge next door is still not leased after nearly two years. Why are we planning for thousands more expensive apartments in this part of town? The demand is not there.
I want to know where the posters on DCUM are getting their "City Ridge is not leased" information from.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 09:21
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
I live about 1.5 blocks from both the current bus site and the L&T site and definitely think it's better to move the bus garage off of Wisconsin -- not because it'll make the property more valuable for developers, though it will, but because I'd rather have a commercial/residential building that might have stuff I want to do on Wisconsin than a bus garage, and I'd rather have a bus garage than an empty department store on the L&T site. I don't see the problem with having electric buses near houses, anyway.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 07:55
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
I read yesterday that part of the new development at Upton Place will be used as a “temporary hotel” until more of the space is leased. That could be a long time given that City Ridge next door is still not leased after nearly two years. Why are we planning for thousands more expensive apartments in this part of town? The demand is not there.
Anonymous
03/05/2024 22:36
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
What is the issue. It will be an all electric facility and it will be facing to the develpment area, not the residential area.
I am sure people would line up to pay over a million dollars for your house if you don't like it.
Mr. Pickleball ran on a platform of redeveloping Friendship Heights. No one is going to care what a couple of nearby NIMBYs want.
I am sure people would line up to pay over a million dollars for your house if you don't like it.
Mr. Pickleball ran on a platform of redeveloping Friendship Heights. No one is going to care what a couple of nearby NIMBYs want.
Anonymous
03/05/2024 22:14
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.
Sure - put the bus garage closer to the residential neighborhood to make the property closer to Wisconsin more valuable for favored developers. Thanks, Bowser!
And where is our council member, Mr Pickleball? Not standing up for current residents.
Anonymous
03/05/2024 12:33
Subject: Wisconsin Ave Development Project
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Turning the Lord and Taylor into a WMATA bus garage is nuts. Makes me question the credibility of the entire plan.
I know, I was hoping for retail. Maybe a Nordstrom.
Well, they have to put the buses somewhere...
And in that regard it seems better to put the buses at L&T because that frees up a big parcel directly on Wisconsin. This is not the hill to die on.