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Anonymous wrote:If your kid goes to school in the South, it's a fraternity, not a frat.

At UVa, some people will call them frats, but people in the theoretically-'top-tier' fraternities and sororities (which have a bunch of Southern UMC) will call them fraternities.

It's not consciously judgmental, but it's a standard usage thing. "Frat@ sounds wrong to people in the South in the same way that bad verb conjugation sounds off.

They prefer to use the term ‘fraternity’ in the north also; think it may be more the non-Greek kids (and parents) who call the, frats; won’t post here the analogy they use when correcting someone to call it a ‘fraternity’ not a ‘frat’

LOL, it's definitely an interesting one. IYKYK

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid goes to school in the South, it's a fraternity, not a frat.

At UVa, some people will call them frats, but people in the theoretically-'top-tier' fraternities and sororities (which have a bunch of Southern UMC) will call them fraternities.

It's not consciously judgmental, but it's a standard usage thing. "Frat@ sounds wrong to people in the South in the same way that bad verb conjugation sounds off.

They prefer to use the term ‘fraternity’ in the north also; think it may be more the non-Greek kids (and parents) who call the, frats; won’t post here the analogy they use when correcting someone to call it a ‘fraternity’ not a ‘frat’

Anonymous wrote:If your kid goes to school in the South, it's a fraternity, not a frat.

At UVa, some people will call them frats, but people in the theoretically-'top-tier' fraternities and sororities (which have a bunch of Southern UMC) will call them fraternities.

It's not consciously judgmental, but it's a standard usage thing. "Frat@ sounds wrong to people in the South in the same way that bad verb conjugation sounds off.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

Are you an alum?

No, two kids went/go there. One graduated two years ago and one is a 3rd year. Both were/are non-greek but in certain clubs that might as well have been. College students are going to do college student things and have since the first one was created, that's why they make movies about it.

These UVA-specific Greek threads come up periodically on this site, and there usually several alums saying, yes, the 30% dominates the social scene and is more pervasive than the numbers might indicate. And there are always one or two moms (pretty sure they’re moms) who say no, my kid is happy as a clam and has no contact whatsoever with Greek life. Which is absolutely possible, no doubt. But unless you want to direct your kids to this thread full of “hysterical people,” your secondhand experience as a parent is not really relevant.

No, it's really not. It does not dominate the social scene, it is a part of it. I'll take the word of my extremely social kids to alums that went to school there 20 years ago or are bitter. I don't have to have graduated to know what the scene is like. I'm going on 5 years of kids attending, own property in C'Ville and have a better view of it than you. It's not as big a deal as these loons are making it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that sororities have changed so much since I attended. FWIW when I was president almost none of what’s been said on this thread is true. A rush committee who has already decided who is attending? Absolutely not. Yield protection? Not a term I’ve heard before. Top tiers everyone is talking about? Totally different from when I went there, and I wouldn’t have ever referred to them that way. We just tried to find girls we clicked with and would want to hang out with, it was not any deeper than that. And we certainly didn’t care where you were from or what vacations you took! Give me a break.

its pretty not cool, but the "tiers" exist because of the fraternities. I wish they could be required to mix with all of the sororities but of course that would not work so the top mixes with the top, middle mixes with middle and low mixes with low. That's why no girls want to be low, even if they might like those girls and the sisterhood because they perceive that the guys they will be mixing with are "less than". Less good looking, less charming, less eligible, who the heck knows.

Less douchey?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

Are you an alum?

No, two kids went/go there. One graduated two years ago and one is a 3rd year. Both were/are non-greek but in certain clubs that might as well have been. College students are going to do college student things and have since the first one was created, that's why they make movies about it.

These UVA-specific Greek threads come up periodically on this site, and there usually several alums saying, yes, the 30% dominates the social scene and is more pervasive than the numbers might indicate. And there are always one or two moms (pretty sure they’re moms) who say no, my kid is happy as a clam and has no contact whatsoever with Greek life. Which is absolutely possible, no doubt. But unless you want to direct your kids to this thread full of “hysterical people,” your secondhand experience as a parent is not really relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

Are you an alum?

No, two kids went/go there. One graduated two years ago and one is a 3rd year. Both were/are non-greek but in certain clubs that might as well have been. College students are going to do college student things and have since the first one was created, that's why they make movies about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

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Anonymous wrote:UVA parent here. I’m surprised that no one has mentioned yet that UVA frats are one of the main sources of alcohol for students, particularly freshmen. Kids who can get into frat parties have access to free flowing beer. My DD had lots of stories of drunk kids out of control, and she and her friends had to escort a number of girls safely back to the dorm who were drunk. I visited on a Saturday and the streets with frat houses were littered with red plastic cups. This goes on every weekend.

Same as it ever was! Wahoowa

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

Hazing by guide service? Making people drink or what did they do?

If could delete my post I would as found answer to own question- since don’t know how to delete, posting answer here in case anyone else curious- from school paper says: drinking, “ current [guides] members intentionally misled new members with a purposefully difficult quiz and a fake syllabus outlining extensive readings and travel requirements” and “were pressured to wear “potentially embarrassing” outfits and performed song remixes in public locations.”

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2023/01/club-gymnastics-and-university-guide-service-found-guilty-of-hazing-misconduct?fbclid=IwAR26NAiC5BPyMK4AFE4mAlC1bPrNzZfuwBAzU2wpLNVOHJx35WMN59ZjwC8

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Anonymous wrote:Hi is anyone with a kid at UVA following the parent posts on FB? I’m shocked that parents use terms like “top tier” frat and how they can’t believe their kid did not get into a top frat. It reminds me of when I was in high school 30 years ago and there were the popular kids. Anyway I just want to tell them that my kid who never had many friends is loving rush and when I asked him about these top tier frats his response is that the top tier is the one that’s right for you.

UVA rush is brutal. I graduated there almost 28 years ago and it still is crystal clear in my mind. Had a great experience over all but the sorority mean girl mentally is off the charts.

And it’s like this at a lot of schools. The older girls who are nice and can afford it pay a penalty to miss it. Even if they like being in the house, they realize rush is an awful experience and don’t want to be a part of it.

Yeah, but unlike many schools, UVA is only 30% Greek. And the houses are off campus. You can choose, as my DD did, not to participate to ever go to a frat party. Imagine that! free choice!

+1 Reading some of these posts they act like someone is putting a gun to every 1st year there to rush. It’s easy to avoid and won’t destroy your college experience like some of these hysterical people are inferring. The Greek culture there isn’t as pervasive as they are making it out to be. There are plenty of clubs that have issues also. In fact, the last two to be reprimanded for hazing are Woman’s Club Gymnastics and the University Guide Service.
Hazing Misconduct Report | Student Affairs (virginia.edu)

Hazing by guide service? Making people drink or what did they do?