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Anonymous wrote:I’m not feeling good about Biden’s poll numbers after reading this thread!

Okay. I mean you shouldn’t. Volunteer and donate like the existence of America depends on the Democrats winning, because it does. Don’t get complacent.

But be aware that dark money will find plenty of Republican nabobs of negativity between now and November in the hopes they can suppress Democratic turnout.

And again - you've conveniently left out all the dark money that has flowed to Democrats in recent years. I can't imagine why you'd neglect to mention that!

Democrats benefited more from dark money than Republicans in 2022

The 2022 federal midterms mark the third consecutive election cycle where Democrats benefited from more dark money than Republicans, OpenSecrets’ analysis of FEC data found.

Liberal political committees reported over $316.4 million in political contributions from dark money groups and shell companies during the 2022 cycle while conservative political committees reported $263 million.

The trend of Democrats benefiting from more reported dark money in federal elections began during the 2018 midterm cycle when liberal groups first outspent their conservative counterparts. That’s despite Democratic rhetoric decrying dark money and a series of failed efforts by some members of the party to crackdown on political contributions from undisclosed sources.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/06/record-contributions-dark-money-groups-shell-companies-flooded-midterm-elections-2022
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/03/one-billion-dark-money-2020-electioncycle/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/dark-money-democrats-joe-biden/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/29/us/politics/democrats-dark-money-donors.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/one-of-the-top-donors-to-a-pro-biden-dark-money-group-is-a-non-profit-run-by-an-early-ai-investor/ar-BB1jD6Ce

The sources of this "dark money" flowing freely into our political system receive a return on their investment/donation via having their interests looked out for first and foremost by the supported politicians. These large donations are worthwhile investments or else they wouldn't continue to climb in amount at the pace they have. This back scratching political scheme is nothing new in politics but the amounts of cash donated by small number of single entities has skyrocketed in recent years. The fact that political favors are expected in return for these ridiculously large donations is indisputable. Our best and brightest people have little reason to choose to enter the political arena when they can earn significantly more in the private sector without there being shady strings attached to their earnings. This is how we wind up with two very unpopular and elderly people being our likely major party nominees. The people that should be running for president aren't politicians.

Anonymous wrote:And yet, Biden has managed to get Medicare to negotiate with drug manufacturers to lower the costs on a variety of drugs including insulin.

That isn't something significant?

After so many decades of shockingly bad policies by the same people (including decades of Biden himself!) and basically no reckoning for that, all these little changes are supposed to make everything ok. It’s painfully silly!

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“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

NP. I think the GOP says constantly that they support working class people but then never do anything legislatively to demonstrate that support. They like to talk about trucks and taking down the elite but that’s the extent of their support. The working class has bought into this lie because on the surface it appears that way. The GOP is great at “average joe cosplay” while giving rich old white guys all the benefits of their policies.

Please don’t miss that whatever you think about GOP “average Joe cosplay” it has yet to be well challenged by the Democrats. Basically, the Democrats’ hustles set the bar so, so low that they struggle to prevail against the GOP. If they want to be serious about beating the GOP, a meaningful upgrade in policies and messaging is required.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

Reason dems wont do anything about healthcare is because they cant, obama care has squeezed the healtchare system to the breaking point and there is no more wiggle room.

From what I hear--a lot from doctors-- it is a combo of private equity, vertical integration (healthcare/pharmacy/insurance like United Health Group)--ACA didn't allow doctors to own hospitals, it turned out doctor greed is nothing compared to PE and insurance greed. DOJ (under Biden) has an antitrust probe into UHG right now.

Yea no kidding, most docs have not seen an increase in pay for close to 20 years believe it or not. The system is broken! We are forced to literraly "turn over" patients like a assembly line to turn a profit and keep up with inflation. You get what you voted for.

And yet, Biden has managed to get Medicare to negotiate with drug manufacturers to lower the costs on a variety of drugs including insulin.

That isn't something significant?

Anonymous wrote:

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Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

Reason dems wont do anything about healthcare is because they cant, obama care has squeezed the healtchare system to the breaking point and there is no more wiggle room.

From what I hear--a lot from doctors-- it is a combo of private equity, vertical integration (healthcare/pharmacy/insurance like United Health Group)--ACA didn't allow doctors to own hospitals, it turned out doctor greed is nothing compared to PE and insurance greed. DOJ (under Biden) has an antitrust probe into UHG right now.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

Reason dems wont do anything about healthcare is because they cant, obama care has squeezed the healtchare system to the breaking point and there is no more wiggle room.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

How can they when the GOP blocks any significant reform (absent control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority)? A significant portion of the Democratic party supports Medicare for All.

There hasn't even been any focus on that from Biden. It's not part of the platform. Yes, GOP obstruct. What's new? At some point Democrats need to FOCUS, shame republicans, advertise on TV showing what happens due to people not having healthcare or facing high costs.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

If they want to remain angry that’s their problem.

NP. This sounds like a way for the Democrats to lose votes. I’m pretty sure the Democrats broad (and largely unexamined) contempt for the working class and/or the angry costs them voters. Should everyone one of those votes be elaborately courted? Nope, but if there’s no outreach and just contempt for them broadly, get ready to lose.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I'm pretty angry and anxious, too. And as excited to vote for Biden this time as I was in 2020 - which was a lot.

More free stuff, eh?

This board is Schrodinger’s liberal for cons like you. Either we’re all the 1% and totally out of touch with ”real Americans” or we’re the welfare queens of your fervid imaginations. I guess when you stay in a conservative bubble and don’t listen to any liberals in real life ever, we can be whatever strawman you want.

NP. I think you might be the one with a problem, PP. There are many critics of the Democrats and Biden. They don’t all think the same way and they certainly aren’t all Trump-supporting and/or Republicans.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

How can they when the GOP blocks any significant reform (absent control of both houses and a filibuster proof majority)? A significant portion of the Democratic party supports Medicare for All.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

NP. I think the GOP says constantly that they support working class people but then never do anything legislatively to demonstrate that support. They like to talk about trucks and taking down the elite but that’s the extent of their support. The working class has bought into this lie because on the surface it appears that way. The GOP is great at “average joe cosplay” while giving rich old white guys all the benefits of their policies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

I will vote for Biden but no, democrats are not doing anything significant for healthcare right now. We need major reform to the ACA and lower caps on costs. And as long as healthcare remains tied to work employees will exploit part time workers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

Democrats support:

Unions
Growing wages
Healthcare opportunities for workers
Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
OSHA rules so people are in safe working environments
the 5 day work week
the 8 hour work day
Child labor laws


Somehow, the GOP opposes all of these things.

So please tell us how the liberals are "anti-worker" or anti-working class.

(and please don't bleat on about open borders, because democrats do not support open borders either, and, there are no open borders. Yes, Immigration needs to be dealt with, which is why everyone supported the bi-partisan immigration bill that the GOP decided not to endorse)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buried lede:

“Surrounded by protective aides who want to minimize the chances of a flub, the 81-year-old president has chafed at restraints that he sees as counter to his natural instincts as a retail politician, a third person familiar with internal discussions said.”

Is Biden the president or not?

If there are “protective sides” it’s ultimately because he decided to have them.

Incredible how they frame these pieces as Joe Biden just being a helpless old guy who has no control of anything and is an endless victim of circumstance.

I mean - those articles are written for people like you, you know? Republicans who are hopping angry about everything in their lives and enjoy being angry about everything else, too, and enjoy the process of feeling like they’re smarter than everyone. The mainstream media has such a pro-Republican slant but you don’t know that and you assume the “liberal media” (or I guess Tucker is calling it “legacy media” now) must be friendly to Democrats, so this seems like mind blowing info to you.

But it’s just more of the anti-Democratic narrative pushed out by a GOP owned media.

ah, the contempt shown for US working class.

these educated elites that control the Democrats simply hate the working class.

If they want to remain angry that’s their problem.