Anonymous
03/20/2024 13:12
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The dedicated focus of this thread to the substitution strategy of SJC is fascinating.
In my experience, it's not that uncommon at the high school and college level for a team to rely on key starters, even at midfield.
Not sure there is a lot to add on whether it works or not. Depends on a lot of factors, and time will tell as the season plays out.
It’s one thing to rely on a few key starters but not just the starters, which in recent history is what SJC does. Last year in big games they often used 0 or just 1. You cannot develop for the future that way. You also have to plan for the bad: injuries, carding out, just playing poorly, etc.
GC, SR, and Visi do a better job of it and it is why they are consistently successful year in and year out. SJC wants to be but have not shown development. It’s also how you win more often in games you are not playing well as a team.
I get it, and I believe that you, or other PPs have made the essential point above a few times on this thread. Is there a question of depth? For subbing in competitive games to be effective, you would want to ensure that the level of play does not drop substantially. SJC has played a series of good teams, SR, SSAS, PVI. I'm guessing a lot more players got in at St. Mary's Ryken as one PP noted. As the schedule diversifies, there will probably be more opportunities.
Also, you cite Visi doing a better job, but from other posters it appears that they are running their game play nearly exclusively through 2 key players. How is that better? SJC appears to be using 5 or more between midfield and attack to operate on offense.
That said, I'm certain there are more interesting things to discuss that substitution strategy.
Agreed. Have you considered the girls on the bench aren’t nearly as good as the starters? Hence the reason they are on the bench? I agree if you are down or up by a large margin and the game result is already secured that the bench players should play the bulk of the time so they can mature and be ready when/if they are ever the starters.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 13:06
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Having a poor offensive strategy (Visi) does not always equate to depth issues. Visi has good talent and are not executing well.
Subbing isn’t about major changes, but swap your 4th attacker for your 5th (same with defense and midfield). You cannot always expect players to perform at a high level vs high level opponents without opportunity. You also can be pleasantly surprised there with players. Give them a few runs with the top group mid game so your studs are fresher in the end.
If there is a significant drop, then you don’t truly have the talent you say you do. SJC claims to have the talent, yet don’t sub. So it’s one or the other. Poor coaching not subbing the depth? Or is there actually a drop off and the talent isn’t actually what they say it is?
Subbing isn’t about major changes, but swap your 4th attacker for your 5th (same with defense and midfield). You cannot always expect players to perform at a high level vs high level opponents without opportunity. You also can be pleasantly surprised there with players. Give them a few runs with the top group mid game so your studs are fresher in the end.
If there is a significant drop, then you don’t truly have the talent you say you do. SJC claims to have the talent, yet don’t sub. So it’s one or the other. Poor coaching not subbing the depth? Or is there actually a drop off and the talent isn’t actually what they say it is?
Anonymous
03/20/2024 12:57
Subject: Re:2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
My DD is at an ISL school that rarely substitutes. Puts in subs for a minute or two to give starters a quick rest and that’s it.
It’s not uncommon even if it’s not good practice.
It’s not uncommon even if it’s not good practice.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 12:51
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The dedicated focus of this thread to the substitution strategy of SJC is fascinating.
In my experience, it's not that uncommon at the high school and college level for a team to rely on key starters, even at midfield.
Not sure there is a lot to add on whether it works or not. Depends on a lot of factors, and time will tell as the season plays out.
It’s one thing to rely on a few key starters but not just the starters, which in recent history is what SJC does. Last year in big games they often used 0 or just 1. You cannot develop for the future that way. You also have to plan for the bad: injuries, carding out, just playing poorly, etc.
GC, SR, and Visi do a better job of it and it is why they are consistently successful year in and year out. SJC wants to be but have not shown development. It’s also how you win more often in games you are not playing well as a team.
I get it, and I believe that you, or other PPs have made the essential point above a few times on this thread. Is there a question of depth? For subbing in competitive games to be effective, you would want to ensure that the level of play does not drop substantially. SJC has played a series of good teams, SR, SSAS, PVI. I'm guessing a lot more players got in at St. Mary's Ryken as one PP noted. As the schedule diversifies, there will probably be more opportunities.
Also, you cite Visi doing a better job, but from other posters it appears that they are running their game play nearly exclusively through 2 key players. How is that better? SJC appears to be using 5 or more between midfield and attack to operate on offense.
That said, I'm certain there are more interesting things to discuss that substitution strategy.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 12:24
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:The dedicated focus of this thread to the substitution strategy of SJC is fascinating.
In my experience, it's not that uncommon at the high school and college level for a team to rely on key starters, even at midfield.
Not sure there is a lot to add on whether it works or not. Depends on a lot of factors, and time will tell as the season plays out.
It’s one thing to rely on a few key starters but not just the starters, which in recent history is what SJC does. Last year in big games they often used 0 or just 1. You cannot develop for the future that way. You also have to plan for the bad: injuries, carding out, just playing poorly, etc.
GC, SR, and Visi do a better job of it and it is why they are consistently successful year in and year out. SJC wants to be but have not shown development. It’s also how you win more often in games you are not playing well as a team.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 11:51
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
The dedicated focus of this thread to the substitution strategy of SJC is fascinating.
In my experience, it's not that uncommon at the high school and college level for a team to rely on key starters, even at midfield.
Not sure there is a lot to add on whether it works or not. Depends on a lot of factors, and time will tell as the season plays out.
In my experience, it's not that uncommon at the high school and college level for a team to rely on key starters, even at midfield.
Not sure there is a lot to add on whether it works or not. Depends on a lot of factors, and time will tell as the season plays out.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 11:06
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
You build endurance in practice and the offseason.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 10:41
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
That’s… that’s not how this works. What happens if a starter goes down before a sub gets their “chance” and hasn’t played much.
Agree with previous statement 100%. Also not how you build a competitive program.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 09:14
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
I hope this isn’t the coach saying this as a plan.
If it is, that explains a lot. Or it is a parent trying to justify it.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 08:39
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
I hope this isn’t the coach saying this as a plan.
Anonymous
03/20/2024 07:47
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
That’s… that’s not how this works. What happens if a starter goes down before a sub gets their “chance” and hasn’t played much.
Anonymous
03/19/2024 22:15
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
The plan is to wait until it matters more to sub in players with less endurance?
Anonymous
03/19/2024 22:11
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
We’re running the starters early in the season to build their endurance. The subs will get their chance.
Anonymous
03/19/2024 22:05
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Well, we can put early season blowouts in the “subs not needed” column. But don’t worry, when the games are more important and closer in score it will make total sense to bring in the subs.
Anonymous
03/19/2024 21:54
Subject: 2024 Girls Lax WCAC ISL Outlook
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Scoped out the game. Regardless of whether PVI was tired or lost players, SJC played a strong game. Their defensive game was relentless and goalie play was outstanding. I did not see one sub go in the entire game. So that will be a challenge for them. The score doesn’t show it, but it was a gritty game where the refs let them play. But, PVI studies their opponents so I suspect the next match up will be even more interesting. They’ll come back stronger and more determined.
SJC subs w/ talent are there and will be used when needed.
Thanks coach?