Anonymous
06/11/2023 08:08
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:But he never did, did he. It was a joke.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing is clear to me... The ultimate lesson from the Trump indictment: No More Pretenses
There is the Uniparty and their Praetorian Guard, and then there's everybody else.
So Trump can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and it would be OK?
This is as serious a crime as one can commit against the USA, and yet, people like you dismiss it. THAT is the point. It is a cult.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 08:07
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
1) he didn't declassify what he held on to
2) there is a process., He cannot just think it or demand it
What you have demonstrated is that you re commenting without having read the indictment. Be better.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 08:06
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
But he didn’t declassify them. And they have him on tape admitting he didn’t.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:40
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Expanding:
“ The president alone has the authority to classify and declassify at will solely because of his plenary power over the executive branch. He does not have the constitutional authority to delegate this fundamental power to subordinates anymore than he has the authority to issue an executive order making the vice president commander-in-chief barring extremely rare circumstances (e.g., illness).” - from Constitutional law/lawyers (not ABC/CNN fact check crap).
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:36
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
You are incorrect.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:36
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.
Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.
They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.
I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.
They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.
But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?
He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.
“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency
Please, can I hear that tape as well?
So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.
Could you translate that into rational language?
Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?
Please read up on what Trump did. He is not being charged for what Biden did. You sound incredibly uninformed.
What’s uninformed is you not understanding that Biden broke the law. You all seem to be misled into thinking that it’s not about breaking the law, it’s about how the law was broken. That’s why this case will end up being decided by the SC. What this indictment is all about is tying up Trump from rallies and campaigning. I was actually thinking of voting for someone else but now, I am 110% behind Trump. I don’t’ like the man but I HATE miscarriages of justice more. And it has been three years of not prosecuting hardened criminals leading to the deaths of others. Three years of blatantly not protecting our borders. Three years of seeing FBI agents placed in churches and other institutions to spy on Americans. Three years of watching people lose jobs, being dragged off to jail for defending children, coverups of attacks on women in public schools, being lied to by some of our most prominent medical institutions so they could be bought off by big Pharma.
Imagine how big the crimes in government have to be in order for government to want to put Trump away this badly, how big those crimes must be to want to turn on a huge part of the population of the US. How big the payoffs are going to be if we just dispose of our Constitution. I wonder how far this government will go to ‘put down’ an ‘insurrection’. Remember, the very definition of tyranny is when the guns of the government turn inward.
The word “knowingly” is part of the code. It is an element of the crime. Biden didn’t want to be accused of willfully retaining anything, so he invited the feds to search his home and office for documents. Note the use of the word “willfully” here.
Intent matters, not because it’s an excuse, but because it literally is not a crime without knowledge or intent. You may believe Biden knew they were there. Without evidence of that, where is the probable cause that a crime was committed?
I suspect you are knowingly, and willfully disregarding these parts of the classified docs law, because you need reality to bend to your feelings. The law doesn’t work like that, and it’s a damn good thing for everyone that it doesn’t bend for anyone’s feelings.
So he accidentally took those records to his home? And they happened to be about Ukraine. You and I both know Biden knew they were there, but you are a Democrat, so….
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:31
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.
Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.
They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.
I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.
They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.
But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?
He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.
“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency
Please, can I hear that tape as well?
So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.
Could you translate that into rational language?
Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?
Please read up on what Trump did. He is not being charged for what Biden did. You sound incredibly uninformed.
What’s uninformed is you not understanding that Biden broke the law. You all seem to be misled into thinking that it’s not about breaking the law, it’s about how the law was broken. That’s why this case will end up being decided by the SC. What this indictment is all about is tying up Trump from rallies and campaigning. I was actually thinking of voting for someone else but now, I am 110% behind Trump. I don’t’ like the man but I HATE miscarriages of justice more. And it has been three years of not prosecuting hardened criminals leading to the deaths of others. Three years of blatantly not protecting our borders. Three years of seeing FBI agents placed in churches and other institutions to spy on Americans. Three years of watching people lose jobs, being dragged off to jail for defending children, coverups of attacks on women in public schools, being lied to by some of our most prominent medical institutions so they could be bought off by big Pharma.
Imagine how big the crimes in government have to be in order for government to want to put Trump away this badly, how big those crimes must be to want to turn on a huge part of the population of the US. How big the payoffs are going to be if we just dispose of our Constitution. I wonder how far this government will go to ‘put down’ an ‘insurrection’. Remember, the very definition of tyranny is when the guns of the government turn inward.
The word “knowingly” is part of the code. It is an element of the crime. Biden didn’t want to be accused of willfully retaining anything, so he invited the feds to search his home and office for documents. Note the use of the word “willfully” here.
Intent matters, not because it’s an excuse, but because it literally is not a crime without knowledge or intent. You may believe Biden knew they were there. Without evidence of that, where is the probable cause that a crime was committed?
I suspect you are knowingly, and willfully disregarding these parts of the classified docs law, because you need reality to bend to your feelings. The law doesn’t work like that, and it’s a damn good thing for everyone that it doesn’t bend for anyone’s feelings.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:30
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
You people have some weird mythology in your heads about "the President can declassify." There's a process for declassifying documents, even for the President. The process is NOT the President waving his hands and gesturing broadly, saying "I declassify this stuff' or simply willing it to be declassified with his mind. And if the process isn't followed, there is no way of knowing what is or isn't declassified and it would be chaos. If the downgrading and declassification process isn't followed or there is no evidence it was followed then it remains classified.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:27
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
But he never did, did he. It was a joke.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing is clear to me... The ultimate lesson from the Trump indictment: No More Pretenses
There is the Uniparty and their Praetorian Guard, and then there's everybody else.
So Trump can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and it would be OK?
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:21
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So how much of the above do we think Trump sold to the Saudis? He makes Nixon look like an Eagle Scout. Regardless of political party, I have always believed that Clinton, both Bushes, Reagan, Obama, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Johnson (all the presidents in my lifetime), despite their differences in policy positions and various imperfections, truly loved this country. Trump only loves himself. I do not understand why so many MAGAs (including the ones to which I am related) cannot see that.
+1
Because they hate the Federal government - any government - and by extension hate the very concept of a “United States”.
The definition of tyranny is when the guns turn inward against the country’s own people, as opposed to outward at the borders to protect from invasion. Biden and his administration has done that in spades.
Ohh someone's butthurt over their failed J6 coup.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:19
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So how much of the above do we think Trump sold to the Saudis? He makes Nixon look like an Eagle Scout. Regardless of political party, I have always believed that Clinton, both Bushes, Reagan, Obama, Carter, Ford, Nixon, and Johnson (all the presidents in my lifetime), despite their differences in policy positions and various imperfections, truly loved this country. Trump only loves himself. I do not understand why so many MAGAs (including the ones to which I am related) cannot see that.
+1
Because they hate the Federal government - any government - and by extension hate the very concept of a “United States”.
The definition of tyranny is when the guns turn inward against the country’s own people, as opposed to outward at the borders to protect from invasion. Biden and his administration has done that in spades.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:18
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.
Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.
They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.
I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.
They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.
But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?
He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.
“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency
Please, can I hear that tape as well?
So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.
Could you translate that into rational language?
Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?
Please read up on what Trump did. He is not being charged for what Biden did. You sound incredibly uninformed.
What’s uninformed is you not understanding that Biden broke the law. You all seem to be misled into thinking that it’s not about breaking the law, it’s about how the law was broken. That’s why this case will end up being decided by the SC. What this indictment is all about is tying up Trump from rallies and campaigning. I was actually thinking of voting for someone else but now, I am 110% behind Trump. I don’t’ like the man but I HATE miscarriages of justice more. And it has been three years of not prosecuting hardened criminals leading to the deaths of others. Three years of blatantly not protecting our borders. Three years of seeing FBI agents placed in churches and other institutions to spy on Americans. Three years of watching people lose jobs, being dragged off to jail for defending children, coverups of attacks on women in public schools, being lied to by some of our most prominent medical institutions so they could be bought off by big Pharma.
Imagine how big the crimes in government have to be in order for government to want to put Trump away this badly, how big those crimes must be to want to turn on a huge part of the population of the US. How big the payoffs are going to be if we just dispose of our Constitution. I wonder how far this government will go to ‘put down’ an ‘insurrection’. Remember, the very definition of tyranny is when the guns of the government turn inward.
There’s the edge of insanity, and then there’s the abyss.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:17
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think many of you are missing the obstruction. He had ample opportunity to work with NARA to return everything. He purposely mislead everyone. It never had to end this way had he returned everything.
Joking aside, they aren't missing the obstruction. They are choosing to willfully ignore it. The truth is that the security powers that be are willing to work with you if you honestly screw up and come to them with a mea culpa. Not only was Trump taking the documents not a screw up, but intentional, he then chose to lie, have others lie on his behalf, and hide them.
People like to point at the Reality Winner case. She's not in jail because she accidentally took a document out of the building that got mixed in her personal stuff. She's in jail because she removed it intentionally.
Reality Winner had no ability to declassify documents. Trump did and no, he doesn’t have to ask permission of anyone to do so.
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:16
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The people here are too evil and crooked to even care.
Even you guys aren’t stupid enough to think the cases are similar.
They aren't. Biden should never have removed classified documents, given he never had to power to declassify - ever. So finding them in his garage is worse. Removing the photo from this thread is an admission of that.
I'd really encourage you to read the full indictment. The Biden "case" and this one aren't remotely similar. In fact, none of the Trump charges involve the initial removal of the classified info. They only charged what he did after the subpoena.
They never are. Again, because you seem to be too dumb to understand. Biden should NEVER have had classified documents ANYWHERE in his home. EVER.
But Trump should have? The documents were taken to his home after he was no longer president. That was okay?
He had the power to declassify. Biden never had that power as VP or as a Senator.
“This is secret information. Look, look at this.” —Donald J Trump, post-presidency
Please, can I hear that tape as well?
So arrest Biden too, right? Trump had the power to declassify and no, he didn’t need permission.
Could you translate that into rational language?
Biden, as then senator and then VP, had classified documents that he could not have declassified at any point in time. So he should be arrested right?
Please read up on what Trump did. He is not being charged for what Biden did. You sound incredibly uninformed.
What’s uninformed is you not understanding that Biden broke the law. You all seem to be misled into thinking that it’s not about breaking the law, it’s about how the law was broken. That’s why this case will end up being decided by the SC. What this indictment is all about is tying up Trump from rallies and campaigning. I was actually thinking of voting for someone else but now, I am 110% behind Trump. I don’t’ like the man but I HATE miscarriages of justice more. And it has been three years of not prosecuting hardened criminals leading to the deaths of others. Three years of blatantly not protecting our borders. Three years of seeing FBI agents placed in churches and other institutions to spy on Americans. Three years of watching people lose jobs, being dragged off to jail for defending children, coverups of attacks on women in public schools, being lied to by some of our most prominent medical institutions so they could be bought off by big Pharma.
Imagine how big the crimes in government have to be in order for government to want to put Trump away this badly, how big those crimes must be to want to turn on a huge part of the population of the US. How big the payoffs are going to be if we just dispose of our Constitution. I wonder how far this government will go to ‘put down’ an ‘insurrection’. Remember, the very definition of tyranny is when the guns of the government turn inward.
You are delusional. Show us where Biden refused to comply with investigators regarding documents, where he deliberately hid them, got others to help hide them, repeatedly told lies about all of it - you can't. And as for all your other supposed government lies and coverups and malfeasance, it happened on Trump's watch - yet somehow you still think Trump is the solution?
Anonymous
06/11/2023 07:16
Subject: Lock him up indictment FL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He's been impeached twice.
He's been indicted twice.
He's been found liable for sexual abuse & defamation.
He's under investigation for attempting to overturn a legitimate Presidential election, both federally and on the state level.
And despite ALL of this - there is STILL a very strong chance that the Republican Party will once again put Donald Trump at the top of their ticket.
GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE.
Which suggests that whatever dirt he has on them has to be even worse than all of this.
I think they are afraid of what he will uncover second time around. Because he will come in hunting for bear and they know it. And they also know that the vast American people want him to. The support for Trump is growing with this indictment. And it will get larger.