Wow I had no idea about ultra fiber particles from places. We live in Centreville and now I’m worried about being so close to Dulles.

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Anonymous wrote:I find being bothered by this so bizarre. We live in Alexandria, and can walk/run to National Airport. We can see planes on the ascent from our yard. We can FEEL takeoff, and of course hear the planes. It's no big deal and white noise.

But it's part of the tradeoff of living where we live, and doesn't bother us one bit. It's kind of like a rumble of thunder - you get used to it and barely notice it.

Ok, you are used to it, great. I think people are complaining about changes to flight paths, which means they probably didn't buy or choose to live in an area close to the airport. Also, there is pollution, I suppose if noise doesn't bother you, maybe you should consider air quality.

They didn't choose to live near the airport? How did they end up there then?

What's "near the airport" for you? Entire DC metro? For me it's areas a few miles away, not areas 30 min drive away which are experiencing a lot of air traffic of surprisingly low flying planes sent their way in lines. I wouldn't live in Alexandria or Pentagon/Crystal City, for example. I used to live in Foggy Bottom and we didn't hear airplanes fly in a line for hours on end. Even now I got to Gtown frequently enough and I don't see airplanes flying one after another along the river. It's like they diverge from the airport but then consolidate flight paths into a few lines. and they don't need to be over the homes to be loud, You can hear them as long as they are visible because they are low enough in the sky.

Anonymous wrote:I seemed to have re-opened the can of worms!

I respect everyone's opinion here - even the one who wrote "I love when I’m flying over you complainers comfortably in business class, looking down with an Old Fashioned, heartily laughing." I guess that would be one way to handle it (Hey, if you can't beat 'em..only I would be in economy plus and swap the Old Fashioned for a vodka tonic)

I know other neighborhoods get it worse (Georgetown, Old Town, Palisades, Foggy Bottom etc.) But I swear, it's LOUD here in Kalorma too - maybe it's this particular block?

I am NO stranger to all kinds of noise - 54 years of living in New York City. I videotaped some of the planes from our house, and sent the videos to many of my NYC friends and they ALL said "That's insane!" or "That would drive me crazy!" It's really ridiculous. I can hear them now, inside, with all the windows shut and a white noise machine on. And there are SO MANY of them. It's ENDLESS (yes I know, it's an airport) I wish I could post a video here - I promise you, they are loud.

I am now aware of the North/South flow of planes at Regan. I didn't understand it before moving here. When the planes are landing in our direction and departing South (Over Alexandria)) it's not a noise issue in this area- But the opposite seems to be mostly true. In the past 12 days they have departed South only once. I was told by someone at the airport it was about 65%/35% North/South, but since we have been here it's been 92%/8%

I definitely want to put this into perspective - I certainly understand it's a privilege to live in any of these neighborhoods, and everything is a trade off. I guess everyone has to decide what they can tolerate and what they can't.

Hey I'm just really disappointed.

I can totally relate, nothing is more annoying than having loud airplanes fly one after another with a few seconds break. Especially if you bought in a quiet leafy neighborhood FAR from the airport and miles away from the river. it was quiet before flight changes with occasional air traffic, nothing like what it is now with lines of airplanes in the sky like one entire runway starts sending every single plane in one direction in a beeline for hours on end. This was horrible, days of this. I would sit with windows closed in my office and hear it miles away from the airport and the river. It later got a bit better with these pathways utilized for 1-2 hours vs many hours a day. If I hear a few airplanes one after another (few seconds apart) and then nothing for 20 min I can deal. I would think if I can hear a plane every 10 min I'd probably not notice, nbd. How about spreading them out so that nobody has to bear constant noise for hours and pollution that comes from it.

Anonymous wrote:Regular flight paths is bad for certain neighborhoods.

It does save on fuel over thousands upon thousands of flights each year, which does make a difference for the planet as a whole.

Spreading air pollution over residential neighborhoods helps the planet? And how does making flight fuel less expensive reduce the number of these flights? More flights = more pollution and impact. When fuel gets pricier airlines raise the prices and spread this cost to the customer anyway. How about utilizing further out airports more or improving fast rail service and making it cheap (not a luxury) as an alternative to short duration flights?

I seemed to have re-opened the can of worms!

I respect everyone's opinion here - even the one who wrote "I love when I’m flying over you complainers comfortably in business class, looking down with an Old Fashioned, heartily laughing." I guess that would be one way to handle it (Hey, if you can't beat 'em..only I would be in economy plus and swap the Old Fashioned for a vodka tonic)

I know other neighborhoods get it worse (Georgetown, Old Town, Palisades, Foggy Bottom etc.) But I swear, it's LOUD here in Kalorma too - maybe it's this particular block?

I am NO stranger to all kinds of noise - 54 years of living in New York City. I videotaped some of the planes from our house, and sent the videos to many of my NYC friends and they ALL said "That's insane!" or "That would drive me crazy!" It's really ridiculous. I can hear them now, inside, with all the windows shut and a white noise machine on. And there are SO MANY of them. It's ENDLESS (yes I know, it's an airport) I wish I could post a video here - I promise you, they are loud.

I am now aware of the North/South flow of planes at Regan. I didn't understand it before moving here. When the planes are landing in our direction and departing South (Over Alexandria)) it's not a noise issue in this area- But the opposite seems to be mostly true. In the past 12 days they have departed South only once. I was told by someone at the airport it was about 65%/35% North/South, but since we have been here it's been 92%/8%

I definitely want to put this into perspective - I certainly understand it's a privilege to live in any of these neighborhoods, and everything is a trade off. I guess everyone has to decide what they can tolerate and what they can't.

Hey I'm just really disappointed.

Regular flight paths is bad for certain neighborhoods.

It does save on fuel over thousands upon thousands of flights each year, which does make a difference for the planet as a whole.

Anonymous wrote:Is it bad in Berkley?

Oh yes it’s bad

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Anonymous wrote:I find being bothered by this so bizarre. We live in Alexandria, and can walk/run to National Airport. We can see planes on the ascent from our yard. We can FEEL takeoff, and of course hear the planes. It's no big deal and white noise.

But it's part of the tradeoff of living where we live, and doesn't bother us one bit. It's kind of like a rumble of thunder - you get used to it and barely notice it.

Ok, you are used to it, great. I think people are complaining about changes to flight paths, which means they probably didn't buy or choose to live in an area close to the airport. Also, there is pollution, I suppose if noise doesn't bother you, maybe you should consider air quality.

They didn't choose to live near the airport? How did they end up there then?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

FAA bought NextGen software in 2014 or so and it concentrates all approaching air traffic over dense, even hilly residential areas, schools, parks, pools, homes instead of over the river like before.

All to save a couple minutes and gasoline bucks.

Many cities have outraged. But bethesda needs to speak up. The fake simulations were done on a computer, at River level. Not up on the hills by goldsboro or the homestead pumpkin patch or the elementary school roofs.

interesting... I believe it. Makes total sense. Planes veer off to turn over hilly and densely populated residential areas and that's to save on fuel? Awesome

I am not sarcastic, totally serious. I do not doubt that the buck is always put in front of citizens health and well being.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

FAA bought NextGen software in 2014 or so and it concentrates all approaching air traffic over dense, even hilly residential areas, schools, parks, pools, homes instead of over the river like before.

All to save a couple minutes and gasoline bucks.

Many cities have outraged. But bethesda needs to speak up. The fake simulations were done on a computer, at River level. Not up on the hills by goldsboro or the homestead pumpkin patch or the elementary school roofs.

interesting... I believe it. Makes total sense. Planes veer off to turn over hilly and densely populated residential areas and that's to save on fuel? Awesome

Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that the palisades and surrounding neighborhoods have never mentioned Anacostia and Southern PG as similarly affected, even though the flight pattern often has low flying planes in that direction.

So weird they don’t seem to care about these communities. I wonder why that is…

DCUM crowd doesn't live in these areas, so they can't comment how it is. They comment based on their experience and my guess is DCUM typical user isn't visiting these areas frequently enough. what d ya think, duh

It’s weird to me that the palisades and surrounding neighborhoods have never mentioned Anacostia and Southern PG as similarly affected, even though the flight pattern often has low flying planes in that direction.

So weird they don’t seem to care about these communities. I wonder why that is…

Is it bad in Berkley?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't air traffic patterns change all the time though? After awhile you hardly even notice it. You can't have it all, a lovely home, in a great neighborhood, with great schools, and great neighbors, a home that appreciates at a steady rate, with no risk of flooding, and zero crime, AND no air traffic. You have to give something up.

No. They don't. There is essentially one runway at DCA, and planes can't fly over the White House, Capitol, etc.

So, no.

I dunno looks like the do https://simpleflying.com/faa-washington-air-traffic/

It's right there in the title! They only moved a waypoint 800 feet!!

You guys know about WebTrak, right?