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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

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It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

That's a bit of moving the goal posts, no?

Obesity itself is the primary health risk. Addressing that is a net health gain. It is a good solution for obesity.

Do you think it's better to be overweight but eating healthy foods (but maybe too much of them)? Or to be average weight but eating a lot of junk?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

I do workout. I even lift. The scale doesn't move. The only thing that works is super low carb meal plans. The second I start adding in carbs I go back to my set point.

Because carbs are fattening! Everyone knows this!

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

That's a bit of moving the goal posts, no?

Obesity itself is the primary health risk. Addressing that is a net health gain. It is a good solution for obesity.

Anonymous wrote:The stigma against these drugs is very real even if no one wants to believe it. I overheard three coworkers talking at length about it the other day. All normal weight, active people deriding the fact that overweight people can just be lazy and lose weight, joking how they should start eating burgers every day if it doesn’t matter anymore, asking why they’re paying for a gym membership when they could just pay for the shots. It was very weird. There is definitely some bitterness there among some people though I don’t understand why.

I've never heard of these drugs before reading this forum and don't know anyone taking them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

It’s not. My body would not tolerate only 1200 calories per day. I’d be too hungry.

I'm saying you can increase the calories you eat if you burn calories. You said you need to limit calories to 1200 to lose weight (please check into that because I have a normal BMI and can lose on higher calories) and 1200 is too low. I agree that 1200 is low. You can eat higher calories if you burn more. The example was in 30 minutes you can burn 300 calories. That changes your 1200 to 1500. If you make it 60 minutes and burn 500 calories you can eat 1700. You body is still at the 1200 limit you need to lose, but you are eating more.

It’s still a net 1200 calories either way. 1200 calories is not enough for my body to exist on without upregulating hunger and downregulating energy expenditure. The hunger is not sustainable.

I think hunger can be down-regulated. I used to wake up famished every morning. If I didn't eat, I started feeling nauseous. I could not relate at all to people who "just weren't hungry in the morning."

But after gaining some weight, I decided to try IF. I joined the Dr. Fung FB group (if you want to see real success stories, there is an abundance of photo evidence in posts there). I stopped eating breakfast. It was so hard at first and I had to use coffee with cream to tide myself over. But eventually it got better, and now I am one of those people who drinks only black coffee and doesn't eat until lunch. And I don't feel hungry! And yes, I work out in the morning in a fasting state before I go to work, and yet I still don't get hungry until lunch time or even later.

I am 5 foot 2 and weight about 120 lbs. I don't count calories, but I wait until lunch and I eat a normal size lunch and dinner, then stop eating by about 7pm. This has been enough for me to lose and maintain at this weight, in my mid-40s. I don't even do some of the longer, more drastic fasts, but even this daily time restricted eating is working for me.

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Anonymous wrote:PP with friend here: I am happy to answer questions (or ask my friend) for people who have science-based or rational questions. I am just not going to interact with the two posters above, as I don’t see a point.

Go start your own friend for people who want to know what your friend thinks

NP. Did you have a stroke?

Anonymous wrote:PP with friend here: I am happy to answer questions (or ask my friend) for people who have science-based or rational questions. I am just not going to interact with the two posters above, as I don’t see a point.

Go start your own friend for people who want to know what your friend thinks

PP with friend here: I am happy to answer questions (or ask my friend) for people who have science-based or rational questions. I am just not going to interact with the two posters above, as I don’t see a point.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone who is not obese will be upset that people lost weight taking a drug. I think the PP constantly posting about this has a mental health problem and is imagining this.

If the drugs are safe and widely available they could have a huge positive ripple effect. Obesity is a horrible health condition and costs the US $$$ in health care spending. If we return to a state where obesity is uncommon and people are not seeking out huge portions or a constant supply of high fat, high carb foods then the restaurant and food industry will respond to the changing demand with smaller normal portions.

I’m the PP with the friend who posted above. There are multiple people in this thread posting about how angry some posters are about the availability of the drug (and that anger is clearly visible; your denial of that is odd). I posted about how therapists are responding and there were other posts that weren’t mine. However, given that therapists in the field are currently having professional discussions about how to help patients address their profound anger, jealousy, and resentment about the existence of these drugs and other people taking them, I’d say that you are also in denial about how widespread and common that response is.

You might want to reflect on why it’s so important to you to deny reality.

That is not reality. I don’t know what more to tell you. People fabricate things on anonymous forums all the time. Do you really think heathy weight people are seeking therapy bc they are distraught and jealous over these meds, or talking about their imaginary anger toward them in work break rooms? I have no doubt these are made up posts. No one does this or is even thinking about them. If not for these threads I wouldn’t even be aware these meds exist. Please stop wasting energy thinking anyone cares if you take them

Guys, I think everyone should stop engaging the unstable Ozempic lady. She has resorted to batshit crazy theories about how skinny people aren't special anymore or that it's a blow to our identity that obese people can now become thin. She thinks that we are lashing out and upset. It's obvious something isn't right. She basically diagnoses anyone who disagrees with her as having some type of mental disorder, as if she knows what she is talking about. Dr. Phil 2.0

Agree. It’s like she/he/they are in an alternate universe

You poor things.

I’m not the poster you seem to have made up in your heads (I’m pretty sure there are several posters responding to you, not one imaginary bogeyman poster). I’m the one with the friend. I’m not sure how you realize how you sound, but to me, you are the ones firmly in the camp of denial, paranoia, and lashing out.

I am not going to interact with you further, though, as I don’t think you two are willing or able to accept any sort of reality other than the limited one in your own minds, so there is no point. I do wish you well, and I hope you can get some help for your own issues eventually.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

It’s not. My body would not tolerate only 1200 calories per day. I’d be too hungry.

I'm saying you can increase the calories you eat if you burn calories. You said you need to limit calories to 1200 to lose weight (please check into that because I have a normal BMI and can lose on higher calories) and 1200 is too low. I agree that 1200 is low. You can eat higher calories if you burn more. The example was in 30 minutes you can burn 300 calories. That changes your 1200 to 1500. If you make it 60 minutes and burn 500 calories you can eat 1700. You body is still at the 1200 limit you need to lose, but you are eating more.

It’s still a net 1200 calories either way. 1200 calories is not enough for my body to exist on without upregulating hunger and downregulating energy expenditure. The hunger is not sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

I do workout. I even lift. The scale doesn't move. The only thing that works is super low carb meal plans. The second I start adding in carbs I go back to my set point.

So try the drugs. Working out and good diet work for many. If it doesn't work for you try the weekly injections for life or whatever else your medical provider recommends.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

It’s not. My body would not tolerate only 1200 calories per day. I’d be too hungry.

I'm saying you can increase the calories you eat if you burn calories. You said you need to limit calories to 1200 to lose weight (please check into that because I have a normal BMI and can lose on higher calories) and 1200 is too low. I agree that 1200 is low. You can eat higher calories if you burn more. The example was in 30 minutes you can burn 300 calories. That changes your 1200 to 1500. If you make it 60 minutes and burn 500 calories you can eat 1700. You body is still at the 1200 limit you need to lose, but you are eating more.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

And now that don’t have to try very and they’ll still lose weight. They get to have their big gulp and drink it too. It’s good for them and good for society.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

OMG you are a fool. I don't drink soda or eat large pizzas. I work out, I'm actually very strong. But I'm still overweight (not obese, just firmly overweight). Every plan I've tried wants me to eat 1200 calories. I'm only 5'0". Its not sustainable long term.

It's difficult. I don't begrudge anyone who uses medication to assist them with maintaining the loss. I wish them all long term success.

- NP

Workout for 30 minutes to burn 300 calories and eat 1,500. That's sustainable.

I do workout. I even lift. The scale doesn't move. The only thing that works is super low carb meal plans. The second I start adding in carbs I go back to my set point.