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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

I think I saw a similar post earlier and I assume its the same person - So how sure are you about this? Are you a current/former TJ faculty? Did you actually grade any essays? I can't vouch other kids, but at least in our case, we have long accepted and moved on from TJ, but my kid is unable to do so. She couldn't digest why her perfect GPA, always outshined others in classes, stem electives/activities, awards etc couldn't secure admission but others who barely had anything to say for themselves got in. The only comfort she has is there are many others from her school, some of them are better than her in her opinion also didn't get in and they are all equally disappointed. Its wrong to assume that everyone of them wrote in their essays that they didn't want TJ, even if they could lie to parents, but its easy for kids to sense interest in each other ex: they tend to pair up with other kids who are equally motivated so one kid will not be a drag on others in group etc. Btw, you can easily understand if the kid is really interested or doing it because of parents. I can very easily see if my DD is doing something (academics or otherwise) out of interest or because I pushed to do. If you can't see in your kid, then you probably don't understand your kid well enough. Sorry for being sarcastic

The poster you refer to graduated from TJ in the late 90s and therefore she is an expert on all things TJ. She is very unhappy with the manner in which TJ has evolved. As per her, all kids from the top feeder schools are only admitted because they are prepped and Curie gave them all the answers. The really smart kids (and smartness cannot be measured by Math advancement) live in other parts of the County and the reform has helped bring them to the fore. Per her, all parents from the top feeder schools are toxic who don’t have a clue how to raise well rounded kids. She tries to not be overt with her racial animus but everyone can see through that.

If you challenge her on any objective criteria, she will accuse you of looking down on the underprivileged kids (starting her commentary with Gross or Disgusting). Her imprint is on every TJ discussion and there is nothing constructive. But she believes herself to be very knowledgeable and that parents thank her for her great inputs.

And when she reads this, she will respond with a Bingo.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

I think I saw a similar post earlier and I assume its the same person - So how sure are you about this? Are you a current/former TJ faculty? Did you actually grade any essays? I can't vouch other kids, but at least in our case, we have long accepted and moved on from TJ, but my kid is unable to do so. She couldn't digest why her perfect GPA, always outshined others in classes, stem electives/activities, awards etc couldn't secure admission but others who barely had anything to say for themselves got in. The only comfort she has is there are many others from her school, some of them are better than her in her opinion also didn't get in and they are all equally disappointed. Its wrong to assume that everyone of them wrote in their essays that they didn't want TJ, even if they could lie to parents, but its easy for kids to sense interest in each other ex: they tend to pair up with other kids who are equally motivated so one kid will not be a drag on others in group etc. Btw, you can easily understand if the kid is really interested or doing it because of parents. I can very easily see if my DD is doing something (academics or otherwise) out of interest or because I pushed to do. If you can't see in your kid, then you probably don't understand your kid well enough. Sorry for being sarcastic

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

I think I saw a similar post earlier and I assume its the same person - So how sure are you about this? Are you a current/former TJ faculty? Did you actually grade any essays? I can't vouch other kids, but at least in our case, we have long accepted and moved on from TJ, but my kid is unable to do so. She couldn't digest why her perfect GPA, always outshined others in classes, stem electives/activities, awards etc couldn't secure admission but others who barely had anything to say for themselves got in. The only comfort she has is there are many others from her school, some of them are better than her in her opinion also didn't get in and they are all equally disappointed. Its wrong to assume that everyone of them wrote in their essays that they didn't want TJ, even if they could lie to parents, but its easy for kids to sense interest in each other ex: they tend to pair up with other kids who are equally motivated so one kid will not be a drag on others in group etc. Btw, you can easily understand if the kid is really interested or doing it because of parents. I can very easily see if my DD is doing something (academics or otherwise) out of interest or because I pushed to do. If you can't see in your kid, then you probably don't understand your kid well enough. Sorry for being sarcastic

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:STEM isn't all about advanced math. I understand that it is one component of the program, but it is more then just advanced math.

If there is any positive that comes out of this is that we might see some of the hyper competitive parents and the hyper focused on prestige parents stop pushing their kids in math.

I understand that some kids love math, my kid does. He takes a class on the weekend and another for math competitions. He loves it.

I fully believe that there are math loving kids that are naturally gifted in math and can handle Algebra in 6th grade. I think that is a small number of kids.

I see parents posting on this board asking about Geometry over the summer because they think their kid is in a better place for TJ if they have Algebra II in 8th grade.

We also see parents asking about expunging Algebra 1 grades after poor results in 7th grade, C's to F's. We see parents on the FCPS board asking about how to deal with kids in 9th who are struggling with Algebra II.

Chill out and let the kids move at math at a pace that makes sense for them. I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

That's looser talk! You need to push push push if you want to be successful!

Yes, having a looser approach towards math acceleration might make everyone happier.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:STEM isn't all about advanced math. I understand that it is one component of the program, but it is more then just advanced math.

If there is any positive that comes out of this is that we might see some of the hyper competitive parents and the hyper focused on prestige parents stop pushing their kids in math.

I understand that some kids love math, my kid does. He takes a class on the weekend and another for math competitions. He loves it.

I fully believe that there are math loving kids that are naturally gifted in math and can handle Algebra in 6th grade. I think that is a small number of kids.

I see parents posting on this board asking about Geometry over the summer because they think their kid is in a better place for TJ if they have Algebra II in 8th grade.

We also see parents asking about expunging Algebra 1 grades after poor results in 7th grade, C's to F's. We see parents on the FCPS board asking about how to deal with kids in 9th who are struggling with Algebra II.

Chill out and let the kids move at math at a pace that makes sense for them. I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

That's looser talk! You need to push push push if you want to be successful!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

You are one of those who cite the example of Zuckerberg to make a point about how dropping out of Harvard is a better alternative than graduating.

Examples from the fringe make for a nice story but that is all they are - a nice story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

I do.

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

That tells me that there are kids who are checking off all the boxes but are not interested in TJ. Which leads me to wonder why they are in Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade. Sure, they seem to be up to the task but they are not taking the class because they want to take the classes.

While I think that is a small percentage of the kids applying, it happens. Just like there are kids who go to TJ because their parents bribe them to attend. It is a small percentage of the kids who attend but it happens.

When I see the parents of a 2nd grader worried about what they need to do so their kid can go to TJ, I know that is the parent talking and not the kid.

TJ should be a decision made by the kid because they want that type of program and experience, not because the parents want it for the kid.

Anonymous wrote:

There are kids who are not accepted into TJ that confuse people and I would bet that those are kids who wrote in their essay that they don't want to attend TJ. They can't tell their parents that because their parents are so focused on TJ. They can't tank their classes because it would cause a problem at home. So they write that they don't want to attend TJ in the timed essay that their parents will not see.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Who cares why the kids are in those classes? If they're taking Algebra II or Pre-Calc in 8th and have earned As in all of their math classes, they're undoubtedly more qualified to handle TJ math than kids who are only taking Algebra I in 8th and have not yet been graded on any math of any real substance. Those kids are also undoubtedly naturally good at math, as they would not be capable of earning As in such accelerated classes. I'd take the kid who has proven math ability over the kid who hasn't yet demonstrated any math ability.

Anonymous wrote:STEM isn't all about advanced math. I understand that it is one component of the program, but it is more then just advanced math.

If there is any positive that comes out of this is that we might see some of the hyper competitive parents and the hyper focused on prestige parents stop pushing their kids in math.

I understand that some kids love math, my kid does. He takes a class on the weekend and another for math competitions. He loves it.

I fully believe that there are math loving kids that are naturally gifted in math and can handle Algebra in 6th grade. I think that is a small number of kids.

I see parents posting on this board asking about Geometry over the summer because they think their kid is in a better place for TJ if they have Algebra II in 8th grade.

We also see parents asking about expunging Algebra 1 grades after poor results in 7th grade, C's to F's. We see parents on the FCPS board asking about how to deal with kids in 9th who are struggling with Algebra II.

Chill out and let the kids move at math at a pace that makes sense for them. I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Anonymous wrote:STEM isn't all about advanced math. I understand that it is one component of the program, but it is more then just advanced math.

If there is any positive that comes out of this is that we might see some of the hyper competitive parents and the hyper focused on prestige parents stop pushing their kids in math.

I understand that some kids love math, my kid does. He takes a class on the weekend and another for math competitions. He loves it.

I fully believe that there are math loving kids that are naturally gifted in math and can handle Algebra in 6th grade. I think that is a small number of kids.

I see parents posting on this board asking about Geometry over the summer because they think their kid is in a better place for TJ if they have Algebra II in 8th grade.

We also see parents asking about expunging Algebra 1 grades after poor results in 7th grade, C's to F's. We see parents on the FCPS board asking about how to deal with kids in 9th who are struggling with Algebra II.

Chill out and let the kids move at math at a pace that makes sense for them. I don't think there should be a boost for Algebra II or Pre Calc in 8th grade because I think it only increases the math acceleration race that is not healthy. How many of the kids in those classes are there because their parents want them at TJ and how many are there because they love math and are naturally good at math?

Anonymous wrote:

Honestly, Algebra I should be open to all 7th graders and TJ should require Geometry HN by 8th and all core courses as HN with min 3.75 GPA. There is no need to gate keep math track and those who are up for the challenge should be allowed to take it.