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Anonymous wrote:In Texas, the new expectation is that 4th graders need to be armed to protect themselves, obviously. If they’d only had guns, amiright gun nuts?

God damnit I am so angry.

So it is too dangerous for armed and armored cops to take out the killer but kids armed with ?? hand guns? are the ticket? Time to kick Texas out of the Union.

There was an instance in the 1800s where a gunman came in and threatened the teacher. Every student who had one drew their weapon. The gunman decided otherwise. Yes, it was the 1800s but there you are

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Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

Evil manages to not find a way in countries that have meaningfully banned guns. Get your head out of the sand.

There are no more killings at all?

No genius, but like, many magnitudes fewer.

DP

But like?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.” Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late. Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

Evil manages to not find a way in countries that have meaningfully banned guns. Get your head out of the sand.

There are no more killings at all?

No genius, but like, many magnitudes fewer.

DP

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Anonymous wrote:All of these fences all of these secure buildings do nothing when hundreds of children leave that building every day and stand in lines waiting to get on buses or be picked up by their parents. Everyone is a sitting duck at that point We need to get rid of guns and have meaningful gun reform.

Bomb can be used. Evil is just that - it finds a way.

We can imagine scenarios forever though. Better to start by securing things right away and simultaneously work on meaningful reform.

Evil manages to not find a way in countries that have meaningfully banned guns. Get your head out of the sand.

There are no more killings at all?

Anonymous wrote:I can't wait for all of these kids of mass shootings to grow up. Columbine's already in their 30s and more and more will be joining their ranks. They need to run for office and get rid of every senator who failed them

Anonymous wrote:In Texas, the new expectation is that 4th graders need to be armed to protect themselves, obviously. If they’d only had guns, amiright gun nuts?

God damnit I am so angry.

So it is too dangerous for armed and armored cops to take out the killer but kids armed with ?? hand guns? are the ticket? Time to kick Texas out of the Union.

In Texas, the new expectation is that 4th graders need to be armed to protect themselves, obviously. If they’d only had guns, amiright gun nuts?

God damnit I am so angry.

One of the little girls called 911 multiple times and BEGGED for the police to help. How could they just...stand there?

The French have a phrase for it, they say "Zeeze cops, zay are... how you say... Puss-ays." Back The Blue!

I'd love to see them charged with accessory to murder

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

+1 From the horses’s mouth

What these police officers did is an act of abandonment that would get you shot on the battlefield of war. Their cowardice and betrayal is unthinkable.

This entire police force needs to be dissolved. They need to never get A SINGLE F**KING PENNY from the tax payers. And frankly they need to be punished.

We trusted them. We hired them, paid them handsomely with pensions and benefits and, most importantly, we gave them the power to kill others. We gave them weapons and gear beyond what any other protective services in the history of man kind has had. And they let 19 children and two teachers get slowly killed one by one over the course of nearly an hour. They stood by, protecting their own lives, but we had relied on them to be brave and do the right thing. We hired and trained them for it.

Honestly…they acted as accomplices of the murderer. They should be punished accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Those cops failed and they stood there and heard more and more shots and children crying and screaming for their lives.
There is no supervisor alive that could keep me from breaking rank and going through that door. One of those cops needs to be fired and have their pensions pulled.

One of the little girls called 911 multiple times and BEGGED for the police to help. How could they just...stand there? Those children didn't all die instantly, obviously, since reports are that the child who repeatedly dialed 911 died. It breaks my heart to think of how many of those kids may have bled out waiting on help that was literally right on the other side of a classroom door.
How can they live with themselves???

Seems that they were afraid of the guns and ammo in that room. We need to get rid of those guns and that ammo. (And if law enforcement is not for you, find another job...that is fine.)

But then they couldn't pose in a field holding their weaponry claiming to be so well prepared and just ready for danger. The brave men and women keeping the citizens safe..... A 10-year-old girl was more heroic than that entire police force

A 10 year old girl paid more attention to the active shooter drills then the cops that gave them.

I can't wait for all of these kids of mass shootings to grow up. Columbine's already in their 30s and more and more will be joining their ranks. They need to run for office and get rid of every senator who failed them

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Anonymous wrote:Those cops failed and they stood there and heard more and more shots and children crying and screaming for their lives.
There is no supervisor alive that could keep me from breaking rank and going through that door. One of those cops needs to be fired and have their pensions pulled.

One of the little girls called 911 multiple times and BEGGED for the police to help. How could they just...stand there? Those children didn't all die instantly, obviously, since reports are that the child who repeatedly dialed 911 died. It breaks my heart to think of how many of those kids may have bled out waiting on help that was literally right on the other side of a classroom door.
How can they live with themselves???

Seems that they were afraid of the guns and ammo in that room. We need to get rid of those guns and that ammo. (And if law enforcement is not for you, find another job...that is fine.)

But then they couldn't pose in a field holding their weaponry claiming to be so well prepared and just ready for danger. The brave men and women keeping the citizens safe..... A 10-year-old girl was more heroic than that entire police force

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree. That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience. Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population. Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance.

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.

If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"? Big fan?

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act. They chose not to.

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered. He fired in their general direction and they ran away. 19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down. Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem. They had it. They were there.

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door.

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building. He shot at people outside too. The police station is 1.5 miles away. The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash. A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this. Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops. Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.

We want to get those laws back ASAP. Everyone wants them except the stupid NRA and the gun industry where it gets its blood money .

Why was there a sunset clause on that assault rifle ban? We need more moderate Republicans to stand up and say enough is enough. We are sick to death that this is happening to our children and we care about their lives