The IB schools have some of the highest kids pupil placing out. SLHS has 177 kids pupil placing last year, most of those are going to Langley and Oakton for AP and language. The only reason people don’t “see it” is because Herndon High School has a similar number of kids that pupil place to SLHS.

The numbers of kids pupil placing out of Annandale, Lewis, Justice, and Mt. Vernon are similar if not higher than SLHS. IB is a failed experiment but FCPS doesn’t want to admit it.

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They will NOT stick to their five year plan.
I remember when their optimum high school membership was no more than 2000.

They have flexibility. They can amend the policy to eliminate five-year reviews, or they can create significantly higher thresholds for future boundary changes. They'd be insane to want to repeat this debacle of a boundary review every five years.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

What’s wrong with Lewis??? Are you dense? Read the hundreds of pages in this thread and other threads. Look at the history over the past 20+ years of neighborhoods being rezoned out of Lewis. It’s one of the primary reasons for this whole boundary review.

It may have been one of the primary reasons for the boundary review but they aren’t doing anything about it. Michele Reid is incompetent and Sandy Anderson is a hypocrite.

The problem is that they originally stated that they wanted to rebalance based on equities and not just starting with the overcrowded schools. Had they started with "we are reviewing the boundaries of all schools that are over capacity" and then laid out plans to move kids to schools that had space then there would have been push back but less outrage. This started as an opportunity to try and decrease FARMs rates at schools, which make sense except that no one wants to the group sent to shore up tests scores and decrease the FARMs rate. That is doubly so when you are being moved to an IB program.

You’re putting your own spin on equities. That is not right, here is what FCPS posted on their website:

“Equity in the boundary review process is focused on ensuring that all students have fair and inclusive access to quality educational opportunities, specialized programs, well-maintained facilities, and resources that support their academic success and well-being regardless of their background or where they live. This includes addressing disparities in enrollment, resources, and program availability across schools to create a more balanced and equitable system.”

It continues on and explains what is meant by each point.

Please don’t spin it that way to demonize FCPS.

Nope.

That other person is correct

They have clearly been following the process from the beginning. Policy 8130 was changed to mandate 5 year rezoning cycles to advance One Fairfax, balance Farms rates and Equity.

There are copious public meetings where the school board and Reid state this explicitly and openly, the last one in October 2024 with Reid, the school board, THRU and Nardos King where they explicitly state that Nardos and the DEI office will have their hands in and oversight over the rezoning proces to ensure that all rezoning is centered on One Fairfax.

All of that One Fairfax talk and website talking points were dropped around November 2024 when Trump won and started going scorched earth against DEI.

This is when they changed "equity" to "equitable access"

It is very well documented that the change to policy 8130 was absolutely pushed through to advance DEI and to bus higher performing neighborhoods to lower performing schools.

Don't believe us?

Take a stroll through board docs starting in late 2023, and especially spring 2024-October 2024, especially the summer meetings It is all on video.


Educate yourself, then check back in.

Policy 8130 was amended in July 2024 before the election and at that time it already referred to "equitable access" to programming rather than to "equity." The language in the policy was being carefully crafted with a view to defending any boundary changes as driven by efficiency considerations, consistent with state law addressing the power of school boards. Don't forget that the litigation over TJ admissions reform had been taking place, and the Supreme Court was getting increasingly conservative, so they were already lawyered up.

The policy was amended again in July 2025 but those revisions related to the grandfathering of redistricted students, not replacing "equity" with "equitable access."

I don't disagree with the suggestion that this boundary study might have taken a different direction had Trump not been re-elected, but we'll never know. Harris could have won and talked about the need for DEI every day of the week, and the School Board members still might have walked back any equity-driven boundary changes that would anger MC and UMC families. We're now just left with a bunch of random slop, largely unnecessary, so that the likes of Sandy Anderson can declare the review a "success" while pontificating about how they couldn't "fix every problem at once." They'd have been so much better served if they'd only focused on Coates, Parklawn, and boundaries for the new western HS. But, of course, Coates got delayed at least a year, and they are embarrassing themselves now with the unnecessary delay in crafting boundaries for Western.

PREDICTION:

They will NOT stick to their five year plan.
I remember when their optimum high school membership was no more than 2000.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

What’s wrong with Lewis??? Are you dense? Read the hundreds of pages in this thread and other threads. Look at the history over the past 20+ years of neighborhoods being rezoned out of Lewis. It’s one of the primary reasons for this whole boundary review.

It may have been one of the primary reasons for the boundary review but they aren’t doing anything about it. Michele Reid is incompetent and Sandy Anderson is a hypocrite.

The problem is that they originally stated that they wanted to rebalance based on equities and not just starting with the overcrowded schools. Had they started with "we are reviewing the boundaries of all schools that are over capacity" and then laid out plans to move kids to schools that had space then there would have been push back but less outrage. This started as an opportunity to try and decrease FARMs rates at schools, which make sense except that no one wants to the group sent to shore up tests scores and decrease the FARMs rate. That is doubly so when you are being moved to an IB program.

You’re putting your own spin on equities. That is not right, here is what FCPS posted on their website:

“Equity in the boundary review process is focused on ensuring that all students have fair and inclusive access to quality educational opportunities, specialized programs, well-maintained facilities, and resources that support their academic success and well-being regardless of their background or where they live. This includes addressing disparities in enrollment, resources, and program availability across schools to create a more balanced and equitable system.”

It continues on and explains what is meant by each point.

Please don’t spin it that way to demonize FCPS.

Nope.

That other person is correct

They have clearly been following the process from the beginning. Policy 8130 was changed to mandate 5 year rezoning cycles to advance One Fairfax, balance Farms rates and Equity.

There are copious public meetings where the school board and Reid state this explicitly and openly, the last one in October 2024 with Reid, the school board, THRU and Nardos King where they explicitly state that Nardos and the DEI office will have their hands in and oversight over the rezoning proces to ensure that all rezoning is centered on One Fairfax.

All of that One Fairfax talk and website talking points were dropped around November 2024 when Trump won and started going scorched earth against DEI.

This is when they changed "equity" to "equitable access"

It is very well documented that the change to policy 8130 was absolutely pushed through to advance DEI and to bus higher performing neighborhoods to lower performing schools.

Don't believe us?

Take a stroll through board docs starting in late 2023, and especially spring 2024-October 2024, especially the summer meetings It is all on video.


Educate yourself, then check back in.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

What’s wrong with Lewis??? Are you dense? Read the hundreds of pages in this thread and other threads. Look at the history over the past 20+ years of neighborhoods being rezoned out of Lewis. It’s one of the primary reasons for this whole boundary review.

You can at least summarize what is wrong with Lewis high school. I had friends that went there many years ago and they are successful. What are the staff their incompetent? Are they not able to teach the subject? Is Fairfax County under resourcing them?

Oh my.

This must be the person who was telling everyone to quit using the term Brac because she didn't know what it meant, because she is joining in on the end of the conversation without reading pages 1-300.

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Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

Read this entire thread to get your answers

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong on the points.

Hagel circle was sent to Halley because of capacity issues. Lorton station could not in 2005 handle Hagel Circle. It’s not part of Lorton station. It’s actually part of historic Gunston. Lorton station has two parts, north and south. North is close to Pohick rd and south near Gunston. Many Lorton station residents go to laurel hill elementary. We’ve been separated.

You are just mad that Hagle Circle will become part of Gunston elementary like it used to be. They were zoned to Gunston elementary so why are you guys so upset about it?

There is no direct path from Hagel Circle to Lorton Station elementary. Anybody that wants to walk will take about 25 to 35 minutes.

What do you mean by, “ it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids”? You’ll have to fill us in

Are you the same poster yelling at people for using the term BRAC?

There are hundreds, even thousands, of posts about the hundreds of kids transferring out of Lewis each year.

Just pick a number on the page list in this thread and you will likely find multiple posts about Lewis and transfers.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

You can verify the septic on FX County tax website.
Scenarios 3 and 4-utilization show Gunston overloaded and if a normal scoped process seems that base school boundary changes between Lorton Station, Halley and Laurel Hill put 146 Hagel Circle students at Lorton Station. Scenarios:
Gunston 98%, capacity 648 enrollment 638. 10 open
Lorton Station 83%. capacity 888 enrollment 736. 152 open.
Halley 68%, capacity705 enrollment 476. 229 open.
Laurel Hill - no changes - 87%, capacity 859 enrollment 745. 114 open.

I guess FCPS did not refine or re-allocate or subdivide what is in an SPA as part of this "not" comprehensive review. It didn't even make new ones in Tysons areas with dramatic new construction. SPAs are not static nor are AAP feeds. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/frequently-asked-questions-

We understand Gunston is on a septic. There is no analysis done to understand what the capacity is. Or whether adding about 100 students would be an issue.

Adding 1000 kids to a school on a setic system would be a huge issue.

Have you ever experienced a septic system?

It’s not 1000, it’s about 100!

1000 was clearly a typo.

It wasn’t clear there. All you had to do was say sorry that was a mistake, should have stated 100. Thank you

Except is was a typo...

No need to apologize for typos. If apologizing for typos was necessary, every other post here would be an apology.

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Centreville and Chantilly should be expanded. Oakton would already be seriously overcrowded even with its big renovation and expansion had Fox Mill not moved to South Lakes.

Chantilly has little space for additional building.

If it has space for over a dozen trailers, it has space for an expansion that would replace them. And they expanded both Justice and Madison, which have less acreage than Chantilly, to 2500 full-time seats.

Just bring in a modular, like they did with McLean. No need for an expensive expansion.

Chantilly has a 14 classroom modular--bigger than McLean's.
Chantilly has 9 temporary classrooms--more than McLean.

If there was space for a 14-classroom modular and nine trailers, then shouldn't they be able to build an addition there at some point?

Moving almost 700 Chantilly kids to Western is going to provide relief, but I don't know why they wouldn't expand Chantilly in due course to 2500 seats, when they expanded Oakton and Herndon to accommodate even more kids.

But for the 2021 boundary change with Langley, McLean would have somewhere between 2500 and 2600 kids this year, yet it has hundreds fewer permanent seats than Chantilly, much less schools like Oakton and Herndon.

FCPS has been very unpredictable in its allocation of capital resources. If anything, it seems to want to penalize successful schools like Chantilly and McLean.

And maybe they will now that they will be able to get rid of the modulars - but they certainly had nowhere to expand with the modulars in place.

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If it has space for over a dozen trailers, it has space for an expansion that would replace them. And they expanded both Justice and Madison, which have less acreage than Chantilly, to 2500 full-time seats.

According for fairfaxcounty.gov:
Chantilly has 16 acres
Justice has 20 acres
McLean has 34 acres

Look at the Capital Improvement Program. It states that Chantilly has 35 acres. FCPS has long combined two adjacent parcels (one 16 acres and the other 19 acres) owned by the School Board when determining Chantilly's acreage. See Map # 0451 01 0009 and Map # 0451 01 0009A in the county tax records.

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Centreville and Chantilly should be expanded. Oakton would already be seriously overcrowded even with its big renovation and expansion had Fox Mill not moved to South Lakes.

Chantilly has little space for additional building.

If it has space for over a dozen trailers, it has space for an expansion that would replace them. And they expanded both Justice and Madison, which have less acreage than Chantilly, to 2500 full-time seats.

Just bring in a modular, like they did with McLean. No need for an expensive expansion.

Chantilly has a 14 classroom modular--bigger than McLean's.
Chantilly has 9 temporary classrooms--more than McLean.

If there was space for a 14-classroom modular and nine trailers, then shouldn't they be able to build an addition there at some point?

Moving almost 700 Chantilly kids to Western is going to provide relief, but I don't know why they wouldn't expand Chantilly in due course to 2500 seats, when they expanded Oakton and Herndon to accommodate even more kids.

But for the 2021 boundary change with Langley, McLean would have somewhere between 2500 and 2600 kids this year, yet it has hundreds fewer permanent seats than Chantilly, much less schools like Oakton and Herndon.

FCPS has been very unpredictable in its allocation of capital resources. If anything, it seems to want to penalize successful schools like Chantilly and McLean.

If it has space for over a dozen trailers, it has space for an expansion that would replace them. And they expanded both Justice and Madison, which have less acreage than Chantilly, to 2500 full-time seats.

According for fairfaxcounty.gov:
Chantilly has 16 acres
Justice has 20 acres
McLean has 34 acres

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Centreville and Chantilly should be expanded. Oakton would already be seriously overcrowded even with its big renovation and expansion had Fox Mill not moved to South Lakes.

Chantilly has little space for additional building.

If it has space for over a dozen trailers, it has space for an expansion that would replace them. And they expanded both Justice and Madison, which have less acreage than Chantilly, to 2500 full-time seats.

Just bring in a modular, like they did with McLean. No need for an expensive expansion.

Chantilly has a 14 classroom modular--bigger than McLean's.
Chantilly has 9 temporary classrooms--more than McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

What’s wrong with Lewis??? Are you dense? Read the hundreds of pages in this thread and other threads. Look at the history over the past 20+ years of neighborhoods being rezoned out of Lewis. It’s one of the primary reasons for this whole boundary review.

It may have been one of the primary reasons for the boundary review but they aren’t doing anything about it. Michele Reid is incompetent and Sandy Anderson is a hypocrite.

The problem is that they originally stated that they wanted to rebalance based on equities and not just starting with the overcrowded schools. Had they started with "we are reviewing the boundaries of all schools that are over capacity" and then laid out plans to move kids to schools that had space then there would have been push back but less outrage. This started as an opportunity to try and decrease FARMs rates at schools, which make sense except that no one wants to the group sent to shore up tests scores and decrease the FARMs rate. That is doubly so when you are being moved to an IB program.

Under-enrollment is an issue just like overcrowding. The South Lakes boundary review in 2007-08 was conducted because of the under-enrollment there, not overcrowding.

Current FCPS leadership under Reid is completely incompetent, and the School Board is mostly a collection of cowards and liars.

And guess what, there are a lot of Fox Mill families embracing moving to Western because we didn't want to be at SLHS in the first place. People in the neighborhood still complain about that mess. Most people didn't want to move from Oakton to SLHS and are working to move to Western. Our schoolboard rep won't even meet with the Fox Mill PTA because she knows that more people want to move then want to stay at SLHS and she is desperate to keep the school at SLHS.

Oakton would have been grossly overcrowded by now had Fox Mill not moved to closer South Lakes.

Like Centerville and Chantilly are? Cry me a river. Fox Mill and some of Floris got shafted and moved from a better AP school to a mediocre IB school that they didn't want to be at. People didn't want to move then but we were the smallest group, so we got shafted. Now, kids principal place out to Langley and Oakton and we are stuck driving for AP. It had nothing to do with what made sense and everything to do with who threw the loudest tantrum. Sound familiar? It should because that is what is happening now with the comprehensive review.

If that move had anything to do with SLHS needing more kids, the SLHS PTA specifically said what schools they didn't want to move to SLHS and what schools they did want to move. Unsurprisingly, they only wanted MC and UMC kids. If Fox Mill is not moved to Western you can expect to see a big uptick in principal placement to Western for the AP and new programs because it is close by and carpooling will be stupidly easy.

Getting moved to the school much, much closer to your home is not getting shafted, no matter how much you whine about it. You don't like it, sure, but it isn't unjust or unfair. It's exactly what should have happened and you just didn't benefit so you are pitching a fit over it.

Moving from AP to IB is getting shafted. Changing entire programs for people and moving from the common, well known, easy to get college credit programs to a niche program that does not easily get you college credit is getting shafted. People asked for AP to be added and the board ignored them. People have been pupil placing out every year because of this.

And yes, now people are working to move to the school that is close by with AP. It shouldn't have happened, there was no need for the move then. People don't want IB. It really is simple but the COunty wants to ignore the obvious.

+1. FCPS doesn't want to admit it made an expensive mistake introducing and keeping IB. They also don't want to admit that some students and families definitely get shafted when there's a boundary change. Westfield took a big hit and so did some of the elementary feeders back in 2008.