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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong on the points.

Hagel circle was sent to Halley because of capacity issues. Lorton station could not in 2005 handle Hagel Circle. It’s not part of Lorton station. It’s actually part of historic Gunston. Lorton station has two parts, north and south. North is close to Pohick rd and south near Gunston. Many Lorton station residents go to laurel hill elementary. We’ve been separated.

You are just mad that Hagle Circle will become part of Gunston elementary like it used to be. They were zoned to Gunston elementary so why are you guys so upset about it?

There is no direct path from Hagel Circle to Lorton Station elementary. Anybody that wants to walk will take about 25 to 35 minutes.

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Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

You can verify the septic on FX County tax website.
Scenarios 3 and 4-utilization show Gunston overloaded and if a normal scoped process seems that base school boundary changes between Lorton Station, Halley and Laurel Hill put 146 Hagel Circle students at Lorton Station. Scenarios:
Gunston 98%, capacity 648 enrollment 638. 10 open
Lorton Station 83%. capacity 888 enrollment 736. 152 open.
Halley 68%, capacity705 enrollment 476. 229 open.
Laurel Hill - no changes - 87%, capacity 859 enrollment 745. 114 open.

I guess FCPS did not refine or re-allocate or subdivide what is in an SPA as part of this "not" comprehensive review. It didn't even make new ones in Tysons areas with dramatic new construction. SPAs are not static nor are AAP feeds. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/frequently-asked-questions-

We understand Gunston is on a septic. There is no analysis done to understand what the capacity is. Or whether adding about 100 students would be an issue.

Adding 1000 kids to a school on a setic system would be a huge issue.

Have you ever experienced a septic system?

It’s not 1000, it’s about 100!

1000 was clearly a typo.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

You can verify the septic on FX County tax website.
Scenarios 3 and 4-utilization show Gunston overloaded and if a normal scoped process seems that base school boundary changes between Lorton Station, Halley and Laurel Hill put 146 Hagel Circle students at Lorton Station. Scenarios:
Gunston 98%, capacity 648 enrollment 638. 10 open
Lorton Station 83%. capacity 888 enrollment 736. 152 open.
Halley 68%, capacity705 enrollment 476. 229 open.
Laurel Hill - no changes - 87%, capacity 859 enrollment 745. 114 open.

I guess FCPS did not refine or re-allocate or subdivide what is in an SPA as part of this "not" comprehensive review. It didn't even make new ones in Tysons areas with dramatic new construction. SPAs are not static nor are AAP feeds. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/frequently-asked-questions-

We understand Gunston is on a septic. There is no analysis done to understand what the capacity is. Or whether adding about 100 students would be an issue.

Adding 1000 kids to a school on a setic system would be a huge issue.

Have you ever experienced a septic system?

It’s not 1000, it’s about 100!

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Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

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Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

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Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

That's exactly why that vacant seat will be so important. That 'bloc' makes some really boneheaded decisions. The guy running for the Lake Braddock open seat ,Tom Dannan, was endorsed by every single person mentioned in the 'bloc' and not endorsed by any of the more rational and independent thinkers on the board.

Krezel is pro casino.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

That's exactly why that vacant seat will be so important. That 'bloc' makes some really boneheaded decisions. The guy running for the Lake Braddock open seat ,Tom Dannan, was endorsed by every single person mentioned in the 'bloc' and not endorsed by any of the more rational and independent thinkers on the board.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

That's exactly why that vacant seat will be so important. That 'bloc' makes some really boneheaded decisions. The guy running for the Lake Braddock open seat ,Tom Dannan, was endorsed by every single person mentioned in the 'bloc' and not endorsed by any of the more rational and independent thinkers on the board.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

As a current Gunston parent, I’d love for an engine to come out. Maybe he can provide an estimate as to what it will cost to repair the current septic system to support the current student population without requiring daily trips by septic trucks to empty the system.

If they are really getting their tanks emptied daily or even multiple times a week, that’s crazy. There’s no way they could take another large neighborhood at that point. They’d be at risk of daily overflows, can you imagine? Residential septic tanks are emptied about every 5 years.