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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

Yup, that’s the voting bloc.

They’re the ones I said I liked in the favorite board members thread and people thought it was a random collection.

Who cares what they say, how they look, or what background they have?

All I care about is their votes.

Um, OK. What aspect of the upcoming boundary changes do you think overrides everything else?

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

As a current Gunston parent, I’d love for an engine to come out. Maybe he can provide an estimate as to what it will cost to repair the current septic system to support the current student population without requiring daily trips by septic trucks to empty the system.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

As a current Gunston parent, I’d love for an engine to come out. Maybe he can provide an estimate as to what it will cost to repair the current septic system to support the current student population without requiring daily trips by septic trucks to empty the system.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

Yup, that’s the voting bloc.

They’re the ones I said I liked in the favorite board members thread and people thought it was a random collection.

Who cares what they say, how they look, or what background they have?

All I care about is their votes.

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Anonymous wrote:What are predictions by board member on how they will ultimately vote to approve or not approve boundary changes proposed by the superintendent: approve as proposed, approve after making amendments, not approve?

I've followed this fairly closely and I couldn't answer that question, since Reid's recommendations have not been made public.

There were definitely things in Scenario 4 that, unless cured, seem like they'd lead some board members to vote against the package.

But you've now got an 11-person board (Braddock seat is vacant) with six members (Sandy Anderson, Seema Dixit, Karl Frisch, Robyn Lady, Kyle McDaniel, and Marcia St. John Cunning) who'll likely be rubber stamps, either because they are party hacks who need to declare this botched review a "success," are tired of it, or want to see a particular change go through, even if some of the other changes are shit.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

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It is not wise to jump into the middle of a 2 year conversation with people who are helpfully providing information and research, just to tell those people to shut up because you haven't taken time to educate yourself on the topic.

No one is going to stop using the term BRAC. BRAC is integral to the entire boundary process.

The hundreds of people posting here are happy to generously get you up to speed, as long as you aren't insulting them and picking fights.

+1 No one insulted the person until they claimed they had been following the discussion but did not know what BRAC stood for. The person was answered quickly and simply and then took offense that others were surprised he did not know what it stood for.

Early on, I was surprised at BRAC as DH worked on base closure a long time ago. However, I also know that acronyms can mean different things and that this thread was not about base closure.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.

Where was that posted?

I just checked their FB page and found this in the comments:

“I'll email to slides to the PTO email list (are you on it?) but the school board shared several scenarios where 140 new students will shift from Halley ES to Lorton Station ES, which would put us at 99% capacity. I didn't see any scenarios where shifting the 140 students to other elementary schools is being considered - we weren't able to determine why only our school was in consideration. There were also scenarios for Lorton Station ES kids to shift from Hayfield to South County.”

I’m sure this goes back to the “where is Hagel Circle ending up” debate. I don’t know why they’d shift LSES kids to South County - LSES is a pretty large school and wouldn’t necessarily suffer like a smaller elementary if it were to become a split feeder, but maybe this is just to add more students to SCMS/HS if Hagel Circle ends up at LSES and Hayfield.

The original scenarios created by the SB and BRAC before Thru’s scenarios did have Hagel Cir. At Lorton Station and Hayfield - it was only when Thru got involved that they tried to shift them to Gunston and keep them at South County. There was speculation here that the influential Mason Neck group would get involved to ensure no more students were added to Gunston and that may have been what happened.

You are quite confusing, what is your position with Hagel Circle?

Who cares what my position is? It’s not my school either way. I’m in the pyramid but not directly affected. FWIW I think they should end up at Lorton Station, the county should make some road improvements to connect the rear of Hagel farthest from Rt. 1 directly to Lorton Rd. (Which would make for a very quick bus ride or even a walk), and that the Saratoga LSES AAP students should attend Springfield Estates AAP like the rest of their pyramid. But we all know FCPS would never make such a bold move. They love the convoluted status quo.

First, I and I think some people would care because it will it help us better understand why you are taking certain position.

Second, you cannot make that path! It is private property! Have you even been there… obviously not because there is a fence put up by Hagel Circle and the private community(HOA property) to separate the two communities for various reasons. That is not county property!!!

It sounds good and doable but a nightmare to even try. Much easier to move the Hagel circle to Gunston. They’ve got room and the committee originally put them there with the scenario. Keep in mind, the consultants have much more info with the students, trends, capacity, which is why they had them at Gunston.

I think when this is over, they will be part of Gunston elementary.

I'd be willing to bet there is no BRAC member in Gunston area.

Stop using abbreviations. What do you mean by “BRAC”?

You must be new here.

I am

You need to spend some time reviewing this thread and the old threads instead of jumping in, guns a blazin.

Just because I did not know what BRAC stood for doesn’t mean I am not aware of what’s going on. I’ve been involved in this thread for a few months now buddy.

Different buddy. Sorry. There has been a lot of discussion about BRAC and their comments. If you've been here for months, you are clueless.

Once again, the discussion we had was about the Gunston Hagel Circle issue. I’ve been following that discussion. First time since a few months someone mentioned BRAC related to Hagel Circle. And I asked what BRAC stood for. Got the answer now you’re insulting me.

You should take your arrogant attitude elsewhere and let us engage on the Hagel Circle issue. If you have some ideas on how to resolve the proposed scenario, please do. Otherwise, your not helping buddy

BRAC has been mentioned on almost every single page of all three 300+ page rezoning threads, along with separate dedicated BRAC threads that keep getting shut down.

The 2nd rezoning thread and the beginning of this thread both have some reeally good historical summaries with links if you want to catch up on this 2 year process.

BRAC is a really basic term that has been a huge part of the rezoning discussion for 2 years this spring.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

You can verify the septic on FX County tax website.
Scenarios 3 and 4-utilization show Gunston overloaded and if a normal scoped process seems that base school boundary changes between Lorton Station, Halley and Laurel Hill put 146 Hagel Circle students at Lorton Station. Scenarios:
Gunston 98%, capacity 648 enrollment 638. 10 open
Lorton Station 83%. capacity 888 enrollment 736. 152 open.
Halley 68%, capacity705 enrollment 476. 229 open.
Laurel Hill - no changes - 87%, capacity 859 enrollment 745. 114 open.

I guess FCPS did not refine or re-allocate or subdivide what is in an SPA as part of this "not" comprehensive review. It didn't even make new ones in Tysons areas with dramatic new construction. SPAs are not static nor are AAP feeds. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/frequently-asked-questions-

We understand Gunston is on a septic. There is no analysis done to understand what the capacity is. Or whether adding about 100 students would be an issue.

Adding 1000 kids to a school on a setic system would be a huge issue.

Have you ever experienced a septic system?

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.