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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t you bring the bottom up without limiting options for the top? I think that’s the root of the problem. No one (or most normal people) don’t mind bringing the bottom up. It’s when you limit the options at the top that people get upset.

You are speculating that there will be “limited options”.

It's not speculation. One track of heterogenous classes up through 10th grade. That's the very definition of limited options, and guaranteed it will be focused on bringing up the bottom.

School divisions will also be able to offer advanced sections and acceleration through the courses.

You keep quoting these things that *have just come out* from VDOE and *are in direct contradiction* from what VDOE has been saying for months, then berating people for speculating in an attempt to shut down discussion. You have no idea if this is an about-face, or if this is just that the spokesperson has no idea what he's talking about.

We'll hopefully find out more tomorrow night on the next webinar.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t you bring the bottom up without limiting options for the top? I think that’s the root of the problem. No one (or most normal people) don’t mind bringing the bottom up. It’s when you limit the options at the top that people get upset.

You are speculating that there will be “limited options”.

It's not speculation. One track of heterogenous classes up through 10th grade. That's the very definition of limited options, and guaranteed it will be focused on bringing up the bottom.

School divisions will also be able to offer advanced sections and acceleration through the courses.

My younger kid will be thrilled to hear that while her older brother took precalculus/trig his sophomore year, she will get to accelerate through “math 10.”

Ask your kids to read this and explain it to you since you seem to be struggling.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/VMPI%20for%20vdoe%20website.docx

It does not dictate how and when students take specific courses. Those decisions remain with students and school divisions based on individualized learning needs.

Please answer this question then. Will kids be able to take Algebra in 7th and post-Calc in 12th? If so, what’s the difference between VPMI and what we have now?

Algebra will no longer be a separate class - it will be integrated/spiraled with geometry & algebra 2.

VA DOE did not say that kids can’t start algebra concepts in 7th. And they did say advanced math courses are not being eliminated.

The exact course offerings will vary by district.

That's not what they said at first though, and everyone who has been reading the threads knows it. While they never outright said they would eliminate tracking for sure, Tina Mazzacane from VDOE responded about detracking with this, according to someone who posted on the AAP thread:

The Virginia Mathematics Pathways Initiative proposals support the vision that all students are capable of making sense of and persevering in solving challenging mathematics problems and should be expected to do so. Many more students, regardless of gender, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status, need to be given the support, confidence, and opportunities to reach much higher levels of mathematical success and interest. VMPI proposals do promote equity and that the practice of isolating low-achieving students in low-level or slower-paced mathematics groups should be eliminated.

Sincerely,
Tina Mazzacane
K-12 Mathematics Coordinator
Virginia Department of Education

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t you bring the bottom up without limiting options for the top? I think that’s the root of the problem. No one (or most normal people) don’t mind bringing the bottom up. It’s when you limit the options at the top that people get upset.

You are speculating that there will be “limited options”.

It's not speculation. One track of heterogenous classes up through 10th grade. That's the very definition of limited options, and guaranteed it will be focused on bringing up the bottom.

School divisions will also be able to offer advanced sections and acceleration through the courses.

You keep quoting these things that *have just come out* from VDOE and *are in direct contradiction* from what VDOE has been saying for months, then berating people for speculating in an attempt to shut down discussion. You have no idea if this is an about-face, or if this is just that the spokesperson has no idea what he's talking about.

We'll hopefully find out more tomorrow night on the next webinar.

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Please answer this question then. Will kids be able to take Algebra in 7th and post-Calc in 12th? If so, what’s the difference between VPMI and what we have now?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t you bring the bottom up without limiting options for the top? I think that’s the root of the problem. No one (or most normal people) don’t mind bringing the bottom up. It’s when you limit the options at the top that people get upset.

You are speculating that there will be “limited options”.

It's not speculation. One track of heterogenous classes up through 10th grade. That's the very definition of limited options, and guaranteed it will be focused on bringing up the bottom.

School divisions will also be able to offer advanced sections and acceleration through the courses.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t you bring the bottom up without limiting options for the top? I think that’s the root of the problem. No one (or most normal people) don’t mind bringing the bottom up. It’s when you limit the options at the top that people get upset.

You are speculating that there will be “limited options”.

It's not speculation. One track of heterogenous classes up through 10th grade. That's the very definition of limited options, and guaranteed it will be focused on bringing up the bottom.

School divisions will also be able to offer advanced sections and acceleration through the courses.

My younger kid will be thrilled to hear that while her older brother took precalculus/trig his sophomore year, she will get to accelerate through “math 10.”

Ask your kids to read this and explain it to you since you seem to be struggling.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/VMPI%20for%20vdoe%20website.docx

It does not dictate how and when students take specific courses. Those decisions remain with students and school divisions based on individualized learning needs.

Please answer this question then. Will kids be able to take Algebra in 7th and post-Calc in 12th? If so, what’s the difference between VPMI and what we have now?

Algebra will no longer be a separate class - it will be integrated/spiraled with geometry & algebra 2.

VA DOE did not say that kids can’t start algebra concepts in 7th. And they did say advanced math courses are not being eliminated.

The exact course offerings will vary by district.

The Virginia Mathematics Pathways Initiative proposals support the vision that all students are capable of making sense of and persevering in solving challenging mathematics problems and should be expected to do so. Many more students, regardless of gender, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status, need to be given the support, confidence, and opportunities to reach much higher levels of mathematical success and interest. VMPI proposals do promote equity and that the practice of isolating low-achieving students in low-level or slower-paced mathematics groups should be eliminated.

Sincerely,
Tina Mazzacane
K-12 Mathematics Coordinator
Virginia Department of Education

Bolding mine.