Anonymous wrote:Because he couldn't identify all of the alphabet letters by 5 let alone say them correctly.

Fast forward 5 years, turns out the kid is dyslexic among several other learning issues.

I don't regret for one second red shirting him.

This, I understand.

Anonymous wrote:Because kids who are older almost alway do better. This is especially true in college. I don't know anyone who was redshirted who dropped out of college or took longer than 4 years to graduate. I bet that if you looked at everyone who ever dropped out of college, you'd see that the vast majority started college before they turned 18.

LOL. No.

OP - people like you assume parents have evil plans to start their kids in K late to gain an advantage.

But the reality is, most parents start late so their kids won't be at a DISadvantage.

Because he couldn't identify all of the alphabet letters by 5 let alone say them correctly.

Fast forward 5 years, turns out the kid is dyslexic among several other learning issues.

I don't regret for one second red shirting him.

The prek teacher recommended it at a time when the dates were rolling back. When he started preschool, he was on track to go to K when he finished. By the time he finished, the cutoff had been moved from december to september, and he was an august baby. So he would have been the youngest in the grade and the teacher already had concerns about speech and fine motor skills. My parent grew up in the NYC system and were promoted every time they mastered the material. They struggled socially in HS and also in college because they were only 15 or 16 when they started. They highly recommended going in the other direction. You only get to be a kid once. He is now in college and in retrospect, he would have been fine either way. He did very well in school but I don't think it was because he was on the older side.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.

DP. Cite your authority for the idea that most schools use a 12/31 cut off in the U.S. And refer to this link: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

To illustrate, my DH's birthday is in early October. He started kindergarten on time, having turned 5 by 9/1. He turned 6 at the beginning of his K year and 18 at the beginning of his senior year. I don't know a single fall or winter birthday who graduated from high school at 17. Why do you think the focus on red shirting is among summer birthdays rather than, say, November birthdays? Your extreme obtuseness makes it likely you are a troll.

New York does have a calendar cutoff and it's one of the most populated states in the country.

And yet the NY outlier only represents about 2.5% of US population.

The significant majority of states (and population) use 8/31 or 9/1... and ~95% of US population uses a date in the 7/31 to 10/15 range.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/what-age-to-start-kindergarten-by-state

Because kids who are older almost alway do better. This is especially true in college. I don't know anyone who was redshirted who dropped out of college or took longer than 4 years to graduate. I bet that if you looked at everyone who ever dropped out of college, you'd see that the vast majority started college before they turned 18.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you trying to demonstrate facts with someone who has repeatedly shown that she is incapable of basic understanding? It is like arguing with a rock. This is the natural law antiredshirter. She lacks capacity. You can point out the facts of the academic year until you are blue in the face, and she will not comprehend. She needs compassion and serious help outside of DCUM. What she doesn't need is to be taken seriously.

You're right. I'm going to stop engaging.

Makes sense. I think that's for the best.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.

DP. Cite your authority for the idea that most schools use a 12/31 cut off in the U.S. And refer to this link: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

To illustrate, my DH's birthday is in early October. He started kindergarten on time, having turned 5 by 9/1. He turned 6 at the beginning of his K year and 18 at the beginning of his senior year. I don't know a single fall or winter birthday who graduated from high school at 17. Why do you think the focus on red shirting is among summer birthdays rather than, say, November birthdays? Your extreme obtuseness makes it likely you are a troll.

New York does have a calendar cutoff and it's one of the most populated states in the country.

But is not in the DC area.

Anonymous wrote:Why are you trying to demonstrate facts with someone who has repeatedly shown that she is incapable of basic understanding? It is like arguing with a rock. This is the natural law antiredshirter. She lacks capacity. You can point out the facts of the academic year until you are blue in the face, and she will not comprehend. She needs compassion and serious help outside of DCUM. What she doesn't need is to be taken seriously.

You're right. I'm going to stop engaging.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.

DP. Cite your authority for the idea that most schools use a 12/31 cut off in the U.S. And refer to this link: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

To illustrate, my DH's birthday is in early October. He started kindergarten on time, having turned 5 by 9/1. He turned 6 at the beginning of his K year and 18 at the beginning of his senior year. I don't know a single fall or winter birthday who graduated from high school at 17. Why do you think the focus on red shirting is among summer birthdays rather than, say, November birthdays? Your extreme obtuseness makes it likely you are a troll.

New York does have a calendar cutoff and it's one of the most populated states in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.

Wrong! I am thinking of MCPS which has a cutoff date of September 1. If you turn 5 after August 31 then you wait a year to start school. This is similar date in all DCUM systems.

Which DCUM school system are you using as your reference for a Jan 1 cut-off?

Why are you trying to demonstrate facts with someone who has repeatedly shown that she is incapable of basic understanding? It is like arguing with a rock. This is the natural law antiredshirter. She lacks capacity. You can point out the facts of the academic year until you are blue in the face, and she will not comprehend. She needs compassion and serious help outside of DCUM. What she doesn't need is to be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.

DP. Cite your authority for the idea that most schools use a 12/31 cut off in the U.S. And refer to this link: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

To illustrate, my DH's birthday is in early October. He started kindergarten on time, having turned 5 by 9/1. He turned 6 at the beginning of his K year and 18 at the beginning of his senior year. I don't know a single fall or winter birthday who graduated from high school at 17. Why do you think the focus on red shirting is among summer birthdays rather than, say, November birthdays? Your extreme obtuseness makes it likely you are a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Few years ago, HS English Teacher was let go because she had an affair with her male student. Luckily for her, he was redshirted and was 18 yrs old. So she was not sent to jail or labelled as a pedophile. Just an unexpected consequence of redshirting.

The vast majority of kids turn 18 in high school. What are you talking about?

What? Less than half of kids turn 18 in high school. High school graduations are usually in June, which is less than halfway through the year. July 2nd is the middle day of a non-leap-year and the first day on the later half of a leap year, so even in an extreme case that a graduation took place on June 30th(which would be exceptionally late) during a leap year, that would mean roughly 49.73 percent of kids would be 18 upon graduation. And this is only assuming that birth dates are uniformly distributed. The truth is that September is the most common month to be born.

https://www.rd.com/article/september-popular-birth-month/#:~:text=According%20to%20real%20birth%20data,followed%20closely%20by%20September%2019th.

When you take this into consideration and the fact high school graduations are far likely to be towards the beginning of June(maybe even May) than the end, it's safe to say that your statement is complete bogus.

Did you just ignore all the kids born September-December????

It's because of those kids that graduating high school at 18 is less common than graduating as 17. I'm not sure how you can think I'm "ignoring" these kids when I explicitly posted a link saying that September is the most common month to be born.

September -June = 10 months. That is MOST of a year. By January you’ve already got 4 months of kids who have turned 18. By June 1 you’ve got 9 months of kids who have turned 18. By graduation the only 17 year olds left are the summer birthday kids.

Now do you understand?

I think you're thinking of the UK, where students have to turn 5 by August 31st to start year 1(which is what Kindergarten is called in the UK, while 12th grade is year 13). Everyone born between 2015 September 1 and 2016 August 31 will be starting year 1 this fall. So yes, in the UK(where redshirting and grade-skipping are banned BTW), students turn 18 between September 1st of year 13 and August 31st after graduation.