Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to get a gun?

No. We have laws to prevent felons and other from getting weapons.
Do you believe there are no background checks in place already?

Felon walks into a gun show. Should he be allowed to buy a gun without a background check?

No. But, if I wish to gift my firearm to my age-eligible son or daughter, I should not have to conduct a background check.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I mean, that's basically what those guys in Richmond looked like yesterday. Same idea. Fantasy cosplay geekery.

Nice try. But, it's still a fail.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to get a gun?

No. We have laws to prevent felons and other from getting weapons.
Do you believe there are no background checks in place already?

Felon walks into a gun show. Should he be allowed to buy a gun without a background check?

No. But, if I wish to gift my firearm to my age-eligible son or daughter, I should not have to conduct a background check.

Anonymous wrote:^^^ I mean, that's basically what those guys in Richmond looked like yesterday. Same idea. Fantasy cosplay geekery.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to get a gun?

No. We have laws to prevent felons and other from getting weapons.
Do you believe there are no background checks in place already?

Felon walks into a gun show. Should he be allowed to buy a gun without a background check?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if the people in here want some form of logical, common sense gun control or want a wild west atmosphere where we all have guns, even the crazy and deranged folks.

Can you please cite the post where a pro-gun-rights poster advocated for crazy or deranged people to have a gun?

We'll wait while you go back and find it.

Some of the fat boys from places like New York walking around doing cosplay like they were at ComicCon fit the description and should probably have their toys confiscated.

You mean like a "fat boy" like this guy?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to get a gun?

No. We have laws to prevent felons and other from getting weapons.
Do you believe there are no background checks in place already?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

How do universal background checks stop people from getting guns? I think you will find plenty of people who don't want their gun purchases being tracked, and will conduct them without them being tracked. Some might not want them tracked for criminal reasons, others want privacy and don't trust the government not to compile a database of who owns what.

Too bad. Of course there should be this database.

But it's cute that you think your AR-15 will protect you from a government that's actually determined to disarm you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to get a gun?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if the people in here want some form of logical, common sense gun control or want a wild west atmosphere where we all have guns, even the crazy and deranged folks.

Can you please cite the post where a pro-gun-rights poster advocated for crazy or deranged people to have a gun?

We'll wait while you go back and find it.

Some of the fat boys from places like New York walking around doing cosplay like they were at ComicCon fit the description and should probably have their toys confiscated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

UBC and red flag laws would eventually keep guns out of the hands of alll people. That is the problem.

Here - read up on why UBC isn't needed and would not work.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/against-universal-background-checks/

The poster above outlined the issues with the red flag laws. In addition, they are unconstitutional.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

Nah. Your ridiculous oversimplification here fools no one. You were asked to prove your assertion that gun rights proponents specifically said they wanted "crazy" and "deranged" persons to be armed. You said they posted those exact words on a post somewhere in this 32 page thread . You were asked to find that post, and quote it. That's all. That's the ONLY thing you had to do.

But that post doesn't exist. It never did.

So you had to set about moving those goalposts.... again. Like always.

"Well, if you're not for ________, it basically MEANS you're in favor of ______, even if you don't actually say as much"


No. Doesn't work like that. And I think you should apologize now and admit you were wrong, because that's the adult thing to do.



Now, as to your argument - you simply won't find gun rights proponents advocating for "crazy" or "deranged" or otherwise dangerously mentally ill people to be armed. Period. But being opposed to universal background checks doesn't equate to the same thing. Sorry, it just doesn't. There are some very good reasons for being opposed to UBC's, and none involve the idea of wanting crazy people armed. Until you stop conflating the two notions, you are imposing limits on yourself in your ability to see other sides of the argument. And that is intellectually unsound.

I'm sorry you're having trouble following the thread, pops, but I never said "they posted those exact words". FYI - DP means "different poster" - you are confusing posters.

Here's exactly what I wrote:
"DP. Not too far back someone said that they don’t want UBC...basically advocating that ANYONE (even crazy and deranged people) should have a gun."

And then I gave the timestamp for the person who said they don't want UBC.

So feel free to apologize to me once you figure that all out.


In the mean time....

Background checks and red flag laws DO help to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. If you don't like them for whatever reason then please suggest an alternative. How would you like to ensure that crazy/deranged people don't get guns? Or do you think that ANYONE should be able to get a gun?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uh huh. Sure.

So we're all still waiting on that post where a gun rights supporter says they want "deranged and crazy people to be armed"


Stilllllllllll waiting.

Yawn.

If you are ok with anyone getting a gun then you are ok with crazy people getting guns.

Do YOU support universal background checks? Do YOU support red flag laws?

How do universal background checks stop people from getting guns? I think you will find plenty of people who don't want their gun purchases being tracked, and will conduct them without them being tracked. Some might not want them tracked for criminal reasons, others want privacy and don't trust the government not to compile a database of who owns what.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't tell if the people in here want some form of logical, common sense gun control or want a wild west atmosphere where we all have guns, even the crazy and deranged folks.

Can you please cite the post where a pro-gun-rights poster advocated for crazy or deranged people to have a gun?

We'll wait while you go back and find it.