Right, that’s the same. Lord you’re dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Are you seriously comparing open/honest test prep with paying someone to actually take the test for you or bribing a university official to help get your kid admitted? That's like comparing dieting and exercising to getting liposuction and tummy tucks. There is a difference between what you actually DO and what is done for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t understand why these people had to bribe their way into universities. If they have that much money and the contacts to go with it, then does it really matter where these kids attend college? Lori Laughlin’s daughter would follow the same career path (influencer or whatever) whether she attends ASU or USC. Let’s not pretend that where these kids go to college really matters because they’re set for life no matter what. How was this worth risking their reputations and getting into legal trouble? The risk truly wasn’t worth the reward. Is it for the parents’ bragging purposes? What was the point?

The indictment and tapes say it was because they wanted guarantees, not to go through the normal, protracted, stressful process. In some cases, their kids at a minimum didn't test well (Huffman's daughter had a 1020 SAT).

Even with connections that score is unlikely to get someone into a selective college without a hook.

My point is—why do these kids NEED to go to a selective college? These aren’t regular joe shmo kids from Anytown USA who need a selective college for a leg up in life. They already have all the advantages in the world. -PP

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Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this to me:

Once these students were admitted, how were they supposed to keep up with their coursework? Were the parents planning to bribe the professors or administrators? Did Singer continue to facilitate bribes after enrollment? What would the endgame be?

This is what I'm wondering. It's one thing to bribe your kid's way in to college, but how did they actually expect them to graduate?

It doesn't matter if they graduate, but even attending for a year or so is a decent credential while they try to figure out what to do with their lives.

It's also harder to get into some of these schools than graduate. They can also easily afford a 5-year plan, so there is time to re-take classes etc.

I went to Stanford. Believe me, there were complete idiots who managed to graduate just by picking an easy major.

And by paying people like me to do their work for them. I attended two whole classes in my time at my university as another student. They were both from wealthy families and terrible at math. My university didn't make you show ID for any tests (and still doesn't, from what I hear), you just had to write your student number on your test. The key was to stick to the larger lecture courses with 100+ students where you could just blend in. I know someone who pretended to be another student in the lab portion of a biology course with only 35 other students. Just thinking about doing that would make me anxious.

Trust me, cheating is still rampant in college.

Congrats for being a scumbag.

Thank you!

It paid much better than slinging pizzas or folding clothes in retail. I have no regrets nor do I feel bad about it. Those people I pretended to be were set for life because of their family money and family influence. They just needed the degrees so they could graduate and join their family businesses.

Makes you wonder what could possibly make this dirtball feel bad. Nothing, it would seem.

Plenty of things make me feel bad. But taking money from a rich person to do their course work was not one of them and still would not be one of them. In my mind, it's the same as me paying a lady to come each week to mop for me. I hate mopping and I'm terrible at cleaning. I outsource it because I have the income to do that now. The guy was terrible at math and rich, so he outsourced it.

Caplan's is just so morally repugnant. A LAWYER and this is what he said. I hope he's prepared his daughter for prison time as much as he coached her on not to talk.

CAPLAN We are in for that, at 75, not an issue.

CW-1Done.

CAPLAN Done. The other stuff (laughing)--

CW-1 That will be up to you guys, it doesn’t matter to me.

CAPLAN Yeah, I, I hear ya.It’s just, to be honest, I’m not worried about the moral issue here. I’m worriedabout the, if she’s caught doing that, you know, she’s finished. So I, I just--

CW-1 It’s never happened before in twenty-some-odd years. The only way anything can happen is if she--

CAPLAN Someone talks--

CW-1 Yeah, if she tells somebody. And that’s why even on the payment to the school thing, nobody, wenever tell the, you know, she just needs to know that you’re gonna get some help on this class.

CAPLAN Correct.CW-1 She’ll be more than happy.

CAPLAN Oh yeah, I, she, she won’t talk

Anonymous wrote:What is the maximum time -- if any -- she's looking at?
Any lawyers here?

20 years?

Is the Elizabeth Kimmel from Nevada related to Jimmy Kimmel? He's from there originally.

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Once these students were admitted, how were they supposed to keep up with their coursework? Were the parents planning to bribe the professors or administrators? Did Singer continue to facilitate bribes after enrollment? What would the endgame be?

This is what I'm wondering. It's one thing to bribe your kid's way in to college, but how did they actually expect them to graduate?

It doesn't matter if they graduate, but even attending for a year or so is a decent credential while they try to figure out what to do with their lives.

It's also harder to get into some of these schools than graduate. They can also easily afford a 5-year plan, so there is time to re-take classes etc.

I went to Stanford. Believe me, there were complete idiots who managed to graduate just by picking an easy major.

And by paying people like me to do their work for them. I attended two whole classes in my time at my university as another student. They were both from wealthy families and terrible at math. My university didn't make you show ID for any tests (and still doesn't, from what I hear), you just had to write your student number on your test. The key was to stick to the larger lecture courses with 100+ students where you could just blend in. I know someone who pretended to be another student in the lab portion of a biology course with only 35 other students. Just thinking about doing that would make me anxious.

Trust me, cheating is still rampant in college.

Congrats for being a scumbag.

Grad students who adjunct at Christopher Newport are paid 1700 dollars for teaching an entire semester long course. It is the criminally low wages paid to grad students which creates the conditions where some grad students are going to feel driven to cheat by people for whom 1700 dollars is pocket change. The issue is not the criminal behavior of people who take courses for others. It's the ridiculous wage structure in our nation that pays a college president 5 million dollars and a professor 1700 dollars. This is why cheating is rampant in places like Africa and CHina and why it is now being exported to the US, along with Russian kleptocracy. Wage inequity creates corruption. It's not rocket science.

And I wasn't even a Grad student while doing this. Just a normal, broke undergrad.

Also, keep in mind that most grad programs prohibit those enrolled from having extra outside jobs. If you're given ~$1700 and prohibited from having another job and you don't have wealthy parents, what can you do? I wanted to go to Grad school immediately after college but the first year of the program where I was accepted prohibited you from having any job and gave you a stipend less than $1,000! I ended up having to work for a few years until I was lucky enough to find a job who would foot the bill for me.

Anonymous wrote: One of the other named parents is the co-chair of Willkie Farr & Gallagher.

Name & shame!

https://www.justice.gov/file/1142876/download

It's Gordon Caplan and he paid $75,000 to get his daughter's ACT score change.

B.GORDON CAPLAN

46.Defendant GORDON CAPLAN is a resident of Greenwich, Connecticutand New York, New York. CAPLAN is an attorney and the co-chairman of an international law firm based in New York.

47.In or about November and December 2018, CAPLAN participated in the college entrance exam cheating scheme by making a purported charitable donation of $75,000 to KWF, in exchange for which CW-1 arranged to have CW-2 purport to proctor CAPLAN’s daughter’s ACT exam and correct the answers after she had completed it.

Later that same day, CW-1 had a follow-up call with CAPLAN in which he again explained, in substance, how the scheme worked, and inparticular the need for CAPLAN’s daughter “to be stupid”when a psychologist evaluated her for learning disabilities in order to obtain the documentation necessary to obtain extended time on the exam. The following are two excerpts from the conversation

It’s infuriating. They have a lot of nerve cheating their way into college. Although, I do feel a little sorry for their kids. If the kids didn’t know, then now they are going to hate their parents.

Anonymous wrote:In the affadavit Singer tells people he's been doing this for 20 years and did it over 750 last year alone! jeez

Give us all the names SINGER, put michael cohen's singing career to shame

I think I’m more fascinated by the proud cheater than the scandal itself. Too dumb to even know he/she did anything wrong because, you know, the money was good.

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Anonymous wrote:Down falls another pillar of what used to make us better than many foreign lands.

This headline is THE definitive answer to all of those people who whine about affirmative action.

Affirmative action is for the poor to counter the bribes? Huh ?

This scandal shows that wealthy people are more than willing to use their privilege to cheat their way into institutions that they couldn't get into otherwise.

Black and Latino kids are usually assumed to have only gotten in because of their race.

But I can promise that no AA candidate's mom paid someone to boost their SAT score from 1020 to 1420 they way Huffman did.

Everybody that test preps is paying to boost their kids SAT score.

Come on, you can't seriously be comparing test prepping a student with someone fraudulently impersonating a student to take a test for them?

A test prepping student still needs to bust his ass! Prepping is hard work! How dare you equate that with cheating!

It is the same as playing the system. You can't for a second think a "test perp'd" kid's scores should be compared to a kid that got the same score with no prep on the 1st try.

Test prep is the biggest scam in the US ... a multi-million $$ scam.

Anonymous wrote:Slightly off topic, but not entirely: Does felicity Huffman look like a completely different person to you? More like Sheryl Crow these days? What did she have done? Facelift?

i thought i was the only one who noticed, i kept looking for felicity hoffmann and i couldnt find her in the pics i saw.Granted, i dont keep up with her professional whereabouts and i think her DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES look is the image i still have of her

In the affadavit Singer tells people he's been doing this for 20 years and did it over 750 last year alone! jeez