The number of FARMS students began increasing way before 2011. Please post the evidence that Starr and MCPS were focused on "white family retention" in the DCC between 2011-2014. Please post data demonstrating that there is an increase in white and minority students opting for private between the years of 2011 - 2017. Please post the data showing that there has been an increase in the number of private and parochial schools (for K and older) since 2011.

Your assertions are possible, but I do not believe you have any sort of data to back them up.

We also don't know what happened between 2010-2011 and 2016-2017.

And, if white students are now attending private schools in large numbers, what private schools are they attending? Have the private schools attended by white students in the area increased the number of seats?

If you remember back in 2011-2014 there were a bunch of articles about white flight fears for the eastern side of the county. Starr and MCPS had a focus on how to retain white families in the DCC. I suspect this data is what was driving them and fear of scores dropping. There has been other data that the number of children on FARMS has substantially increased in the past several years. The 'Montgomery County Stagnation' thread had data on how Montgomery County is not attracting business and growing poorer. The yearly budget shortfalls are an outcome of this.

I would suspect that the number of affluent white and minority residents opting for private has substantially increased from 2011 to 2017. The number of private and parochial schools has been growing in both the east and west sides of the county. My oldest started 1st grade the year before 2.0 rolled out. We did Montessori K and she was 1 of only 5 that stayed. When my youngest went to K five years late, the Montessori K program was full - around 50-70 kids while the local MCPS school had to cut K classes. Several daycare/preschool centers in the area opened up K-2 programs which filled up. From talking with neighbors most planned to re-enter at some point near high school but many stayed out.

No it should not be getting whiter. We need to not be discriminate by race for the gifted programs.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/03/the-war-on-standards-gifted-student-programs-edition.php

No word of actual accomplishments or performance being the reason, just number of apps and awareness. Yeah.

Anonymous wrote:Love the semantics troll on here today, BTW!

Can you please go bother my renter if I gave you her number, she needs to pay the rent and has a litany of excuses. I think you could really handle her well given your style.

+1, always refreshing when the logic lite regulars get taken to task .

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It shows a lower penetration rate of whites attending MCPS than in the past. Whether they left or didn't even bother, amongst whites, a smaller percentage than before are attending MCPS.

It's suggestive; it sure isn't definitive. It shows data from 2011. Comparing grapefruits (teenagers) and tangerines (high school students). What's more, it's two data points. Two data points are not a trend.

And even if it were definitive, then what? White families in Montgomery County are increasingly disinclined to send their children to MCPS high schools, and so therefore...? The author of the blog post supported rezoning to include more poor kids in rich schools, allowing any student to attend any school in the county, adding Sherwood to the NEC and B-CC to the DCC, eliminating home schools in the high school consortia, building more affordable housing in Bethesda and Potomac, and making it easier to build and add units in close-in neighborhoods. Do you support those things?

https://ggwash.org/view/31670/integration-will-keep-moco-public-schools-competitive

There are one or more posters who feel if the county doesn't cater to every whim of the affluent they'll take their ball and play elsewhere, Perhaps in a few cases this is true, but it seems more of someone's personal agenda than a fact-based reality. The data being presented is thin at best.

Love the semantics troll on here today, BTW!

Can you please go bother my renter if I gave you her number, she needs to pay the rent and has a litany of excuses. I think you could really handle her well given your style.

Where MCPS loses is all the educated, higher income parent URMs send their kids to privates. They can cite "fitting in more" but those kids are also getting a richer education.

Anonymous wrote:It shows a lower penetration rate of whites attending MCPS than in the past. Whether they left or didn't even bother, amongst whites, a smaller percentage than before are attending MCPS.

It's suggestive; it sure isn't definitive. It shows data from 2011. Comparing grapefruits (teenagers) and tangerines (high school students). What's more, it's two data points. Two data points are not a trend.

And even if it were definitive, then what? White families in Montgomery County are increasingly disinclined to send their children to MCPS high schools, and so therefore...? The author of the blog post supported rezoning to include more poor kids in rich schools, allowing any student to attend any school in the county, adding Sherwood to the NEC and B-CC to the DCC, eliminating home schools in the high school consortia, building more affordable housing in Bethesda and Potomac, and making it easier to build and add units in close-in neighborhoods. Do you support those things?

https://ggwash.org/view/31670/integration-will-keep-moco-public-schools-competitive

It shows a lower penetration rate of whites attending MCPS than in the past. Whether they left or didn't even bother, amongst whites, a smaller percentage than before are attending MCPS.

The chart shows what it shows. What it doesn't show, is that "whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know that.

The bar chart that is more insightful is the one that shows MCPS penetration trends; namely showing that whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS.

From 2000 to 2011:
In top HS areas: went from 68% of whites attending MCPS to 57% whilst being 76% of the catchment area.
In aggregate: went from 50% of whites attending MCPS to 35% whilst falling only from 60% of pop to 55% of pop.
In the NE and DCC consortiums: MCPS attendees dropped at 3x the rate as the drop of whites in that catchment area.

No, it doesn't show that.

The sentence you're interested in is "Between 2000 and 2011, the percentage of teenagers living in Montgomery County who were white fell from 60% to 54%, while the proportion of white students in MCPS high schools fell from about 50% to 33%." Or, better stated: in 2000, 60% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 50% of MCPS high school students were white, compared, to 2011, when 54% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 33% of MCPS high school students were white.

Incorrect, unf looks like C2.0 doesn't focus on math and graph literacy so much.

You're quoting the blue line stats in the graph yet saying the graph and the differential doesn't show exactly what was summarized: More whites left the school system (-17%) than left the county (-6%).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/thecourtyard/9134268033/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know that.

The bar chart that is more insightful is the one that shows MCPS penetration trends; namely showing that whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS.

From 2000 to 2011:
In top HS areas: went from 68% of whites attending MCPS to 57% whilst being 76% of the catchment area.
In aggregate: went from 50% of whites attending MCPS to 35% whilst falling only from 60% of pop to 55% of pop.
In the NE and DCC consortiums: MCPS attendees dropped at 3x the rate as the drop of whites in that catchment area.

No, it doesn't show that.

The sentence you're interested in is "Between 2000 and 2011, the percentage of teenagers living in Montgomery County who were white fell from 60% to 54%, while the proportion of white students in MCPS high schools fell from about 50% to 33%." Or, better stated: in 2000, 60% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 50% of MCPS high school students were white, compared, to 2011, when 54% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 33% of MCPS high school students were white.

We don't know what the author was counting when he counted "Montgomery County teenagers", given that "teenager" and "high school student" are not synonyms.

We also don't know what happened between 2010-2011 and 2016-2017.

And, if white students are now attending private schools in large numbers, what private schools are they attending? Have the private schools attended by white students in the area increased the number of seats?

And then there's the further question of, so what?

Are you able to see the line chart the PPP is referring to? It seems summarized correctly in the list above.
It shows MCPS white student decreases in all 3 consortiums being larger than the Mont County white teens decreases in each consortium.

The purple line is the 6 top HS in MCPS, the blue line is all of MCPS (the quote you are referring to is blue dot line and blue solid line stats), the red line is NE consortium, and the green line is DCC. Solid lines are MCPS white student percentage of total pop over time and the dotted line is MoCo white teens percentage of pop over time.

Yes, it would be fascinating to see this data from 2011-2017. But for now these are the takeaways from 2000-2011 data.

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile DCPS is doing better and has slowed the migration out of DC after elementary school quite well. THe charter schools are working like a charm too.
Still wouldn't want to be applying for private school in 9th grade, that competition from DC, VA and MD must be fierce.

Some of them, for some people.

But I agree that everyone benefits from better public schools in DC. This isn't a zero-sum game where Montgomery County loses if DC wins.

Meanwhile DCPS is doing better and has slowed the migration out of DC after elementary school quite well. THe charter schools are working like a charm too.
Still wouldn't want to be applying for private school in 9th grade, that competition from DC, VA and MD must be fierce.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We know that.

The bar chart that is more insightful is the one that shows MCPS penetration trends; namely showing that whites living in all catchment areas in MoCo are increasingly not attending MCPS.

From 2000 to 2011:
In top HS areas: went from 68% of whites attending MCPS to 57% whilst being 76% of the catchment area.
In aggregate: went from 50% of whites attending MCPS to 35% whilst falling only from 60% of pop to 55% of pop.
In the NE and DCC consortiums: MCPS attendees dropped at 3x the rate as the drop of whites in that catchment area.

No, it doesn't show that.

The sentence you're interested in is "Between 2000 and 2011, the percentage of teenagers living in Montgomery County who were white fell from 60% to 54%, while the proportion of white students in MCPS high schools fell from about 50% to 33%." Or, better stated: in 2000, 60% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 50% of MCPS high school students were white, compared, to 2011, when 54% of Montgomery County teenagers were white and 33% of MCPS high school students were white.

We don't know what the author was counting when he counted "Montgomery County teenagers", given that "teenager" and "high school student" are not synonyms.

We also don't know what happened between 2010-2011 and 2016-2017.

And, if white students are now attending private schools in large numbers, what private schools are they attending? Have the private schools attended by white students in the area increased the number of seats?

And then there's the further question of, so what?

All of this, PLUS: PP would like us to believe that white people opting out of MCPS is purely about educational quality. However, we know that white people are likely to flee neighborhoods and schools in which they become the minority, IRRESPECTIVE of school quality. Now, the reasons they give are different. If the school is becoming Blacker or more Latino, whites will say that the quality of education is sinking to the lowest denominator. If the school is becoming more Asian, whites will say that they just don't want their kids in "a pressure cooker atmosphere."

Either way, white people opt out of schools that are majority kids of color, and that decision is based on fear of being a minority rather than on actual concerns about the quality of education being provided.